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Re: Amazon was Down

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Post by knowtheory » Mon, Apr 22, 2013, 5:43 AM UTC

Osiris wrote: post #17

knowtheory wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

aws != amazon. It's perfectly possible for AWS to keep running just fine, while Amazon the website bursts into flames.

Does Amazon not run their website on AWS? I assumed (incorrectly, apparently) that AWS was originally built to allow Amazon to scale their own services. Is it really a separate product that they don't use themselves?

Originally, that's true, Amazon didn't run on AWS afaik. But i believe they do now.

Nevertheless, they still have application architecture which sits above the aws substrate. It's perfectly feasible for them to have seriously fucked up a deployment that runs on top of AWS, which may be functioning just fine (and at least all of my services running out of us-east seem to be up and running).

Re: Amazon was Down

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Post by gry » Mon, Apr 22, 2013, 5:44 AM UTC

austenallred wrote: post #15

At an estimated loss of $31,000 per minute http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9962010-7.html?tag=nefd.to... I'm blown away that I see Amazon goes down so often. That certainly, in my mind, doesn't bode well for the brand of AWS.

Heroku is up: http://cl.ly/image/0B0U1K3Z342R.

Conversely, when AWS had issues, Amazon.com was not impacted.

Amazon.com != AWS. I'm curious to know when AWS or Amazon.com innovations impact each other, or which one leads. I'd rather it be Amazon.com.

Re: Amazon was Down

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Apr 22, 2013, 5:44 AM UTC

Osiris wrote: post #17

knowtheory wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

aws != amazon. It's perfectly possible for AWS to keep running just fine, while Amazon the website bursts into flames.

Does Amazon not run their website on AWS? I assumed (incorrectly, apparently) that AWS was originally built to allow Amazon to scale their own services. Is it really a separate product that they don't use themselves?

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Re: Amazon was Down

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Post by datasage » Mon, Apr 22, 2013, 5:44 AM UTC

Osiris wrote: post #17

knowtheory wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

aws != amazon. It's perfectly possible for AWS to keep running just fine, while Amazon the website bursts into flames.

Does Amazon not run their website on AWS? I assumed (incorrectly, apparently) that AWS was originally built to allow Amazon to scale their own services. Is it really a separate product that they don't use themselves?

Just because Amazon is down, doesn't mean the infrastructure is the reason. They did build AWS out of the technology they used to build Amazon, but its unclear if they are using it directly or use an isolated set of services.

Re: Amazon was Down

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Post by simonster » Mon, Apr 22, 2013, 5:45 AM UTC

level09 wrote: post #8

http://i.imgur.com/E8vAzKp.jpg

I doubt that works when the site is up either. Many servers these days reject pings.

Re: Amazon was Down

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Post by begurken » Mon, Apr 22, 2013, 5:46 AM UTC

Wow, almost 40 minutes of total outage now.

They're going to be having one helluva '5-whys' tomorrow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_Whys).

Re: Amazon was Down

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Post by monksy » Mon, Apr 22, 2013, 5:46 AM UTC

Sounds like someone that is oncall is going to have a bad night. Amazon.de and .co.uk are up.

Re: Amazon was Down

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Post by rattray » Mon, Apr 22, 2013, 5:47 AM UTC

davorak wrote: post #4

Doing fine here, both amazon.com and the AWS console.

here=where?

Re: Amazon was Down

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Post by tquai » Mon, Apr 22, 2013, 5:48 AM UTC

It's a lesson in overengineering. At this point my $5 Pentium 3 server has a greater uptime than Amazon.

Re: Amazon was Down

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Post by kamkazemoose » Mon, Apr 22, 2013, 5:48 AM UTC

austenallred wrote: post #15

At an estimated loss of $31,000 per minute http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9962010-7.html?tag=nefd.to... I'm blown away that I see Amazon goes down so often. That certainly, in my mind, doesn't bode well for the brand of AWS.

Does Amazon really go down that often? Is there any data how often/ for how long Amazon does go down? I wonder how it compares to other sites that get the same amount of traffic.