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Re: Facial Recognition Failed in Boston Bombing

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It seems disingenuous to say that facial recognition failed. As far as I can tell, all the images we had of these suspects were either very low-resolution, taken from angles, or both. Seems plausible that law enforcement didn't have any good candidate images from which to run a facial recognition search. > In the end it was mostly dumb luck What? Painstaking police work went in to getting images of these suspects, an…

The brothers didn't leave the area, didn't go into hiding and were able to kill a campus officer and hijack a car, all without police finding them for a week. It was mostly dumb luck. It's not like they were hiding! Oh, and http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/03/27/hanover-police-trying-...

They didn't go into hiding or leave because they didn't think they needed to. It seems pretty clear they they didn't want to be caught.

From what I can tell, numerous people called in after the photos were released. Even if Thursday's events hadn't taken place, the police would have known the identities of both suspects shortly thereafter.

It just seems crazy to me not to acknowledge the role of investigators in all of this and chock it up to luck.

As for the edit you just made about the bombs in Hanover: are you implying there's a link to the Marathon bombers? Seems like conspiracy theory reaching - unless there's some sort of evidence you'd like to share.

Re: Facial Recognition Failed in Boston Bombing

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Why is surveillance video not HD? Shouldn't this quality be almost a commodity by now? How different are these cameras than what you get in, say the latest Samsung Galaxy S4, for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S4

Probably because the cost of surveillance cameras is more than just the cost of the resolution or storage. the ones that hang outside need to be weather proof and vandalism proof. they were probably bought as part of a large and expensive system, intended to be paid off over 10-15 years[0], to replace all those cameras whenever more resolution becomes available, is probably quite expensive, regardless of how cheap th…

In business terminology, a common English phrase would be "first-mover disadvantage".

Re: Facial Recognition Failed in Boston Bombing

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The problem is that any non-perfect automated system will wrongly convict so many civilians as being terrorists that nobody will trust it anymore.

Let's say that you want to catch terrorists creeping around in your airport. To do this, you have a magic camera that, when it takes a picture of a civilian, compares it to a picture of a known terrorist. If they're in fact the same person, it will flag security over. Let's say that it is indeed a magic camera and makes the correct decision 99.99% of the time, which is far better than the current state of the art[1].

Do you have any idea how much DHS or DoD would pay for such a magic camera?

But it won't be enough.

Consider a watch list of 100 terrorists that we're looking for in our airport. If our camera compares each civilian's picture to all 100 terrorists in succession, and if we model each comparison as a Bernoulli trial, then each civilian has a 0.9999^100 = 99.004% chance of getting through security unfazed, which means we flag innocent people as terrorists about 1% of the time.

This doesn't work in an airport setting. Assuming 5,000 people pass through your small airport per hour and you have a 14-hour day, that means your security people have to go through 0.01 * 5000 * 14 = 700 false alarms each day. That's about 1.2 false alarms per minute. Your security people will have to go through all their checks each time this happens. Before long, they're going to stop trusting your magic camera.

As you scale your watch list up, it gets worse. How well would it work for 1,000 people on the watch list? 10,000? Note that the current US watch list has 50,000 people on it.

Even if it were a perfect magic camera, it coudln't catch terrorists on their maiden crime who aren't on the watch list at all.

(Most of this post was adapted from: http://vast.uccs.edu/~tboult/tmp/IJCB11-tutorial-boult.ppt , which is a really interesting presentation if you're interested in these sorts of things.)

1: http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/lfw/results.html

Re: Facial Recognition Failed in Boston Bombing

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to be fair if you live in Massachusetts you would know, all of the streets are not marked as you would expect in other areas. If there are street signs at intersection often times only one of the streets is marked.

There's no way to ask this without sounding snarky, but: why?

Towns in Massachusetts were laid out before the invention of the automobile.

Re: Facial Recognition Failed in Boston Bombing

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How hard would it be to throw off facial recognition by simply wearing very high quality makeup and prosthetics to alter your facial appearance (ala hollywood movies)? If I were the boston bombers, I would have first learned how to make myself look completely different. It's unbelievable to me that these guys didn't realize they'd be captured on tons of cameras that day.

CV-Dazzle attempts to throw off face detectors by doing just that: http://cvdazzle.com/

But then again, the police will label you as "that guy with weird bits of plastic on his face", which won't help you hide at all.

Re: Facial Recognition Failed in Boston Bombing

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Facial recognition is still treated like some magical technology, like the "zoom in, enhance" feature much mocked about on TV crime shows. I bet Facebook's technology is ahead of law enforcement's in terms of data, algorithm, and refinement, and yet it still stumbles on pretty obvious faces (if you have the default auto-tag feature left on)

Facebook only has to distinguish between friends of the uploader.

US law enforcement has to distinguish between 300 million civilians.

Of the two, I would expect Facebook to be more successful at identifying peolpe.

Re: Facial Recognition Failed in Boston Bombing

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How hard would it be to throw off facial recognition by simply wearing very high quality makeup and prosthetics to alter your facial appearance (ala hollywood movies)? If I were the boston bombers, I would have first learned how to make myself look completely different. It's unbelievable to me that these guys didn't realize they'd be captured on tons of cameras that day.

http://www.amazon.com/Accoutrements-Fuzzy-Glasses-Classic-Di...

Costs $3, will beat any facial recognition

Re: Facial Recognition Failed in Boston Bombing

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post #29

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Actually, the lockdown was voluntary, though with strong community pressure to comply. But yes, multiple subsystems failed in the police response. If you listened to police scanners, you also heard that they had some trouble identifying streets correctly, or keeping their mics off when not talking. But police response protocols are one human system that definitely needs to be able to work in the face of multiple subs…

Talking about the scanners and technology (and failures) didn't "homeland security" give millions to metro police departments around the country to get their communication encrypted? I vaguely remember reading about that a couple years ago. I wonder where that money went if that is accurate. https://www.google.com/search?q=%22federal+grant%22+%22encry...

Apparently the police prefer interoperability over secrecy - if all the departments had encrypted comms during this manhunt, nobody would have been able to talk to each other because there were so many different police forces out there.

Re: Facial Recognition Failed in Boston Bombing

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Not just facial recognition, the "terror watch list" failed (after a warning from Russia about the older brother) lack of background checks on the AR15s they owned failed, the secured perimeter failed (the teenager was outside of it) the city lockdown failed (the guy smoking the cigarette outside when he saw the blood was technically violating the lockdown). In the end it was mostly dumb luck, dumb criminals, and the…

What you fail to realize is that the "terror watch list" you speak of doesn't hold people on it from just any hearsay. The articles said that the FBI did its due diligence and found no reason to continue an investigation on them.

Think about it this way: would you want just anyone to be watchlisted based on tips that could be politically motivated, intentionally misleading, or just completely factually inaccurate?

What you can never account for in terrorism screening is the lone-wolf element. There will always be some fringe guys in parts of the world who hatch their plots outside of the view of what we're able to observe. The only options you have are to limit their access to harmful weapons/devices, or contain them as fast as possible when they do go on the offensive.

Yes, doctors and other emergency responders did a great job, but don't be so quick to take away a victory from law enforcement when there are very few positive stories circulated about them ever. The boston marathon runners/crowd didn't know they were putting their lives on the line that day. Law enforcement, on the other hand, made a conscious decision to do so.

Re: Facial Recognition Failed in Boston Bombing

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post #63

The problem is that any non-perfect automated system will wrongly convict so many civilians as being terrorists that nobody will trust it anymore. Let's say that you want to catch terrorists creeping around in your airport. To do this, you have a magic camera that, when it takes a picture of a civilian, compares it to a picture of a known terrorist. If they're in fact the same person, it will flag security over. Let'…

Do you know how unreliably people recognize strangers? Many people are already wrongly convicted on such evidence.

Even perfect automated facial recognition won't convict people. It will merely point out people that should be looked at. If a jury looking at the image and the guy's face think the system is wrong, they can disregard it.

As far as prevention goes, what we need are systems that can detect deception reliably, which will help if we ever decide to ask people meaningful questions. Not to convict, but to focus attention on a possible threat.

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