Where is Slava Pestov now?
Haven't seen him for a long time.
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#12Where is Slava Pestov now? Haven't seen him for a long time.
He got a job at Google back in 2010 and pretty much handed over the reins at that time due to lack of free time to work on Factor. He still posts on the mailing list though periodically.
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#13This is really cool!
I have always admired the engineering work on Factor, but had thought the project would die when Slava Pestov took his job at Google. Great to see it continue to improve.
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#14I must say, that the syntax and semantics are not intuitive at all. I've spent half an hour trying to learn how does this thing work, and have not been able to. I guess, a damn good tutorial is in order. I think one of the primary reasons Python took off really well, was because of very good tutorials available. The language of Factor's documentation is still only tuned for language designers, not language users.
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#15Under new libraries I see a reddit API lib listed. Why are they including things like this in Factor itself. Doesn't it kind of bloat things? Factor can strip this out if it isn't used of course, but can you really maintain all of these libraries? If you just add random things to Factor itself you're eventually going to end up with something that is impossible to maintain without a very large number of invested people.
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#16I must say, that the syntax and semantics are not intuitive at all. I've spent half an hour trying to learn how does this thing work, and have not been able to. I guess, a damn good tutorial is in order. I think one of the primary reasons Python took off really well, was because of very good tutorials available. The language of Factor's documentation is still only tuned for language designers, not language users.
To be fair Factor/Forth's way of thinking is really foreign to the usual Pascal/C derivatives. Learning how to program from scratch certainly too you more than 30min.
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#17My TA for a cryptography class worked on this. I had the pleasure of messing with it one afternoon. Pretty cool stuff.
Factor the language or factor the Unix command?
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#18Under new libraries I see a reddit API lib listed. Why are they including things like this in Factor itself. Doesn't it kind of bloat things? Factor can strip this out if it isn't used of course, but can you really maintain all of these libraries? If you just add random things to Factor itself you're eventually going to end up with something that is impossible to maintain without a very large number of invested peopl…
Because there are like 10 person using it. Until the language grows and acquires a package manager it's easier to just put everything in the stdlib.
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#19Under new libraries I see a reddit API lib listed. Why are they including things like this in Factor itself. Doesn't it kind of bloat things? Factor can strip this out if it isn't used of course, but can you really maintain all of these libraries? If you just add random things to Factor itself you're eventually going to end up with something that is impossible to maintain without a very large number of invested peopl…
Because there are like 10 person using it. Until the language grows and acquires a package manager it's easier to just put everything in the stdlib.
Sure, but I'd vote for doing things right to begin with rather than waiting for complaining users. But I guess we might disagree on what 'right' means in this context. :)
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because there are like 10 person using it. Until the language grows and acquires a package manager it's easier to just put everything in the stdlib.
Sure, but I'd vote for doing things right to begin with rather than waiting for complaining users. But I guess we might disagree on what 'right' means in this context. :)
There is another aspect too: when everything is in the stdlib it forces developers to collaborate and not create their Nth implementation of the same lib because theirs is better. There is a breaking point in number of developers where it becomes more efficient to distribute the work trough a package manager but then you also introduce package hunting which can become quite a time consuming task.