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Re: A new search engine

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post #4

I don't understand. Is this spam? There is no context or accompanying article for the claim. I searched my name and the results weren't nearly as good. One data point, sure, but first impression is everything. Edit for context: original title read: "This search engine is better than google."

I think it's related to this post about Liquid Helium: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5579336

Re: A new search engine

#12
post #10

I'm willing to have an open mind about this, but I think some sort of explanation on what samuru is hoping to achieve in distinction from other search engines would be helpful.

Exactly. Doing MVP of a search engine is hard, so it is okay to lack on quality of results initially when you launch. On HN probably. Even DDG is trying to only catch-up.

But to keep the engine running, and keep the hacker interested you should tell what distinction samuru is trying to achieve with its search engine.

And perhaps this query http://www.samuru.com/?q=porn should not be blocked by default, rather provide tools for safe search. Heard of the porn cookie guy? Just copy his footsteps, I'd say.

Re: A new search engine

#14
I got fairly good results using decidedly esoteric queries, and although I'm on a very s-l-o-w connection I didn't notice a great speed discrepancy.

Re: A new search engine

#15
I didn't submit this. I didn't know anyone was submitting it. Or I would have written a post about why it is different than other search engines. Better is still up for grabs because it is new.

Samuru doesn't use link authority, it analyzes pages and matches what you queried to the types of pages and picks the best matches.

Let me give you an example.

You search for "How to Make cupcakes" Google says give me the pages that have the most inbound linkes (over simplification) that contain all those words. The winner is Brandon's Cupcakes (not really but play along for a minute) because it says, "We know how to make the best cupcakes, because we have been doing it for 25 years"

That is not a useful result. Samuru on the other hand says "how to make cupcakes is a search for instructions" and it looks for pages that match the words, and are written as instructions.

We weigh other factors, like is there an author associated with the article. Do they routinely write about the topic?

We do this for reviews, products and other things as well.

To be a full replacement for Google we need Driving directions, and image search and a lot of things. But in order to do all the other things we are doing we needed a search engine. (related content, analysis, speed testing, building a corpus of words)

Responses get better if you search something someone else has searched or do a second search 30 seconds later. This is because we haven't deep indexed the entire Internet yet, and so we don't have all the deep data.

Re: A new search engine

#16
post #5

Doesn't work: http://www.samuru.com/?q=porn

Nope it doesn't. We decided that it was hard enough getting advertising without having "adult" search. We focus on text analysis so we aren't very good at porn searches.

Re: A new search engine

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post #4

I don't understand. Is this spam? There is no context or accompanying article for the claim. I searched my name and the results weren't nearly as good. One data point, sure, but first impression is everything. Edit for context: original title read: "This search engine is better than google."

Search your name a second time. It will do better. The rankings require us to have looked at all the pages a second time.

Re: A new search engine

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post #4

I don't understand. Is this spam? There is no context or accompanying article for the claim. I searched my name and the results weren't nearly as good. One data point, sure, but first impression is everything. Edit for context: original title read: "This search engine is better than google."

Search your name a second time. It will do better. The rankings require us to have looked at all the pages a second time.

Re: A new search engine

#19
post #7

Their SEO engine is easy to game

In what way? Writing something the meets our qualifications for "what is a review" is much harder to game than Link spamming. You can game the system only by writing content that is useful to the user.

The only easy to game part is that we give brands a pretty big bonus for themselves. Sony.com/playstation will always be the top hit for Sony PlayStation. Even if we should favor a .gov result that says they are recalled for bursting in to flames. But as that rarely becomes an issue we are ok with that being number 2.

Re: A new search engine

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post #8

About 1 month ago I switched from google to bing. There different queries that use the to measure 'better'. For simple queries 'strncmp', 'giraffe', 'sound transit schedule' ... Google, Bing and Samuru perform pretty well. But Samuru is extremely slow. For more complex queries like, 'seattle dumpling restaurant that is famous in singapore' or 'how to zip a list in ruby'. I find that Google always comes out on top, bi…

If it isn't too much trouble, try your queries on blekko and let us know what you think. We actually have a /programming slashtag that is very useful for these kind of queries. http://blekko.com/ws/?q=how+to+zip+a+list+in+ruby+%2Fruby http://blekko.com/ws/?q=seattle+dumpling+restaurant+that+is+... Just for fun... results in tablet-friendly format: http://izik.com/?q=seattle%20dumpling%20restaurant%20that%20...

I like slash tags and Booleans, but the truth is search should work with out the need for those things. We support - to make things go away. Later we will expose some of the cooler things we do behind the scenes like "reviews" or "instructional" or "oped" searches, or "Simple English" but we want to do that in a way that doesn't require syntax.

"If it requires syntax it isn't user friendly" is our internal battle cry.

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