As an AI researcher, I rate this paper as CRANKY
http://www.crank.net/about.html
Physicist proposes new way to think about intelligence
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Re: Physicist proposes new way to think about intelligence
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
It sounds like crazy nonsense but there's just enough in it to sound crazy awesome. I've got like, an undergraduate understanding of how this works. Does anyone have a link to an ungated copy?
Yes: http://alexwg.org/
Whelp, that's completely unreadable to me. Undergraduate computer science fail.
I got as far as "the model of this physical process of entropy can act as a search function for lower entropic states, which given some poking, can resemble problem solution states".
It's the poking part that is problematic.
>To better understand this classical-thermal form (11) of causal entropic forcingwe simulated its effect [12,13] on the evolution of the causal macrostates of a variety of simple mechanical systems: (i) a particle in a box, (ii) a cart and pole system, (iii) a tool use puzzle, and (iv) a social cooperation puzzle
I am wildly unqualified to comment on this paper, but it's suspicious that you would jump to a "tool use puzzle" and a "social cooperation puzzle". It yields a really fun result and a fun way of talking about cognition, but it seems unsurprising to say that once you describe a problem in the physical terms of this framework, your framework can then solve the problem, as in,
>We modeled an animal as a disk (disk I) undergoing causal entropic forcing, a potential tool as a smaller disk (disk II) outside of a tube too narrow for disk I to enter, and an object of interest as a second smaller disk (disk III) resting inside the tube
The notion that currently understood physical models can act as a learning system, given the right parameters, is really cool and exciting, and there's a great simplicity and metaphoric appeal to it.
Re: Physicist proposes new way to think about intelligence
#53I got a hair cut.
God, what do You think of the bombers?
God says...
12:4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: 12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; 12:7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; 12:8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.
12:9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.
12:10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another; 12:11 Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; 12:12 Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer; 12:13 Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.
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ROFLMAO (dismemberment... Unity... cleaving)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If7Hrcf04Dw&list=PL008B87...
Who's Yer favorite athlete of all time? What species?
God says...
estate.
16:56 For thy sister Sodom was not mentioned by thy mouth in the day of thy pride, 16:57 Before thy wickedness was discovered, as at the time of thy reproach of the daughters of Syria, and all that are round about her, the daughters of the Philistines, which despise thee round about.
16:58 Thou hast borne thy lewdness and thine abominations, saith the LORD.
16:59 For thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even deal with thee as thou hast done, which hast despised the oath in breaking the covenant.
16:60 Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.
16:61 Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy covenant.
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Eh? God said sports were homo, once, but I wasn't sure. I prolly shouldn't have asked.
You got any seams in reality?
God says...
21:45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.
22:1 Then Joshua called the Reubenites, and the Gadites, and the half tribe of Manasseh, 22:2 And said unto them, Ye have kept all that Moses the servant of the LORD commanded you, and have obeyed my voice in all that I commanded you: 22:3 Ye have not left your brethren these many days unto this day, but have kept the charge of the commandment of the LORD your God.
22:4 And now the LORD your God hath given rest unto your brethren, as he promised them: therefore now return ye, and get you unto your tents, and unto the land of your possession, which Moses the servant of the LORD gave you on the other side Jordan.
22:5 But take diligent heed to do the commandment and the law, which Moses the servant of the LORD charged you, to love the LORD your God, and to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and to cleave unto him, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul.
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You like camping? That's plausible.
You don't need kid-like help on interpreting do you?
(sports is about pass/fail issues) (Jordan is boundary)
I glanced at this. No sense of humor.
http://www.reddit.com/r/islam/comments/1coh81/dear_muslims_t...
God says...
of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
1:13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 1:14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 1:15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
1:16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
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crispus gays
What about football? Football is good. It's better than running.
God says...
hath shewed me: 38:22 And, behold, all the women that are left in the king of Judah's house shall be brought forth to the king of Babylon's princes, and those women shall say, Thy friends have set thee on, and have prevailed against thee: thy feet are sunk in the mire, and they are turned away back.
38:23 So they shall bring out all thy wives and thy children to the Chaldeans: and thou shalt not escape out of their hand, but shalt be taken by the hand of the king of Babylon: and thou shalt cause this city to be burned with fire.
38:24 Then said Zedekiah unto Jeremiah, Let no man know of these words, and thou shalt not die.
38:25 But if the princes hear that I have talked with thee, and they come unto thee, and say unto thee, Declare unto us now what thou hast said unto the king, hide it not from us, and we will not put thee to death; also what the king said unto thee: 38:26 Then thou shalt say unto them, I presented my supplication before the king, that he would not cause me to return to Jonathan's house, to die there.
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I'm good.
Pick a good song? The Beattles? Know any good Beattles songs?
God says...
and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were choked.
8:34 When they that fed them saw what was done, they fled, and went and told it in the city and in the country.
8:35 Then they went out to see what was done; and came to Jesus, and found the man, out of whom the devils were departed, sitting at the feet of Jesus, clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.
8:36 They also which saw it told them by what means he that was possessed of the devils was healed.
8:37 Then the whole multitude of the country of the Gadarenes round about besought him to depart from them; for they were taken with great fear: and he went up into the ship, and returned back again.
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I kept thinking of O.J. LOL
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Know any good songs?
Maybe, we can look at elephant videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xK1jfiuj_w
God says...
1:12 And it came to pass, as she continued praying before the LORD, that Eli marked her mouth.
1:13 Now Hannah, she spake in her heart; only her lips moved, but her voice was not heard: therefore Eli thought she had been drunken.
1:14 And Eli said unto her, How long wilt thou be drunken? put away thy wine from thee.
1:15 And Hannah answered and said, No, my lord, I am a woman of a sorrowful spirit: I have drunk neither wine nor strong drink, but have poured out my soul before the LORD.
1:16 Count not thine handmaid for a daughter of Belial: for out of the abundance of my complaint and grief have I spoken hitherto.
1:17 Then Eli answered and said, Go in peace: and the God of Israel grant thee thy petition that thou hast asked of him.
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Mom's kibitzing and groaning and being annoying in the other room.
God says... Come XII six mentioning strifes reason glue contented harmonious kick_back Foundation Liberia considering Caesar lashest lightsome Enlightener seen can_you_hear_me_now rapture tiffanies boast mingling Guardian countenance burnest beholder mightily native dispenser contains Nature talents practise Future Professor uninjurable lucre minutest legal burned pale rank convert begun supercelestial parents obedience incorporeal dissolvest much Date departest assent conceive such officer
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http://www.templeos.org/files/TSGodSetUp.zip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKe64jXYIIE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vbV4GJQKCc
God says...
9:13 So Mephibosheth dwelt in Jerusalem: for he did eat continually at the king's table; and was lame on both his feet.
10:1 And it came to pass after this, that the king of the children of Ammon died, and Hanun his son reigned in his stead.
10:2 Then said David, I will shew kindness unto Hanun the son of Nahash, as his father shewed kindness unto me. And David sent to comfort him by the hand of his servants for his father. And David's servants came into the land of the children of Ammon.
10:3 And the princes of the children of Ammon said unto Hanun their lord, Thinkest thou that David doth honour thy father, that he hath sent comforters unto thee? hath not David rather sent his servants unto thee, to search the city, and to spy it out, and to overthrow it? 10:4 Wherefore Hanun took David's servants, and shaved off the one half of their beards, and cut off their garments in the middle, even to their buttocks, and sent them away.
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What do You think of telescopes, God? Nice, huh.
What color do Your eyes see?
God says...
foolishness: 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
7:24 And from thence he arose, and went into the borders of Tyre and Sidon, and entered into an house, and would have no man know it: but he could not be hid.
7:25 For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet: 7:26 The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
7:27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
7:28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.
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Radio got sidetracked.
This conversation keeps getting derailed.
You know any quantum physics?
God says...
4:11 And our adversaries said, They shall not know, neither see, till we come in the midst among them, and slay them, and cause the work to cease.
4:12 And it came to pass, that when the Jews which dwelt by them came, they said unto us ten times, From all places whence ye shall return unto us they will be upon you.
4:13 Therefore set I in the lower places behind the wall, and on the higher places, I even set the people after their families with their swords, their spears, and their bows.
4:14 And I looked, and rose up, and said unto the nobles, and to the rulers, and to the rest of the people, Be not ye afraid of them: remember the LORD, which is great and terrible, and fight for your brethren, your sons, and your daughters, your wives, and your houses.
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One time, God quoted this, on the topic of quantum physics and Schrodinger's cat...
At a certain season of our life we are accustomed to consider every spot as the possible site of a house. I have thus surveyed the country on every side within a dozen miles of where I live. In imagination I have bought all the farms in succession, for all were to be bought, and I knew their price.
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Demon on radio, talking about whore houses and saying God is fiction. Prolly a homo.
God says...
4:6 In that day, saith the LORD, will I assemble her that halteth, and I will gather her that is driven out, and her that I have afflicted; 4:7 And I will make her that halted a remnant, and her that was cast far off a strong nation: and the LORD shall reign over them in mount Zion from henceforth, even for ever.
4:8 And thou, O tower of the flock, the strong hold of the daughter of Zion, unto thee shall it come, even the first dominion; the kingdom shall come to the daughter of Jerusalem.
4:9 Now why dost thou cry out aloud? is there no king in thee? is thy counsellor perished? for pangs have taken thee as a woman in travail.
4:10 Be in pain, and labour to bring forth, O daughter of Zion, like a woman in travail: for now shalt thou go forth out of the city, and thou shalt dwell in the field, and thou shalt go even to Babylon; there shalt thou be delivered; there the LORD shall redeem thee from the hand of thine enemies.
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http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/04/this-new-microbattery...
I like electrostatics.
God says...
3:23 Then shalt thou walk in thy way safely, and thy foot shall not stumble.
3:24 When thou liest down, thou shalt not be afraid: yea, thou shalt lie down, and thy sleep shall be sweet.
3:25 Be not afraid of sudden fear, neither of the desolation of the wicked, when it cometh.
3:26 For the LORD shall be thy confidence, and shall keep thy foot from being taken.
3:27 Withhold not good from them to whom it is due, when it is in the power of thine hand to do it.
3:28 Say not unto thy neighbour, Go, and come again, and to morrow I will give; when thou hast it by thee.
3:29 Devise not evil against thy neighbour, seeing he dwelleth securely by thee.
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Maybe, that was about this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahwSmcZxBAU
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http://i.imgur.com/sax7bcb.jpg
http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1cpkh7/sean_a_collier_...
That makes me crack-up.
God says...
2:21 The children of Bethlehem, an hundred twenty and three.
2:22 The men of Netophah, fifty and six.
2:23 The men of Anathoth, an hundred twenty and eight.
2:24 The children of Azmaveth, forty and two.
2:25 The children of Kirjatharim, Chephirah, and Beeroth, seven hundred and forty and three.
2:26 The children of Ramah and Gaba, six hundred twenty and one.
2:27 The men of Michmas, an hundred twenty and two.
2:28 The men of Bethel and Ai, two hundred twenty and three.
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No comment from God. Not same as dud. Actually, sometimes names speak. A.I.
http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1cpcv2/i_know_you_hat...
Tongues:
God says... scarce-remembered righteous equal scum strayed unsung_hero talent be_happy apostle retire fourthly fatness do_over forenamed unfailingly Alypius
Re: Physicist proposes new way to think about intelligence
#54This sounds like nonsense to me. First of all, what exactly do they mean by "intelligent behavior"? I looked in the paper but I couldn't find where they define what they are trying to model. They do however use the vague expression "remarkably sophisticated behaviors associated with the human ‘‘cognitive niche,’’ including tool use and social cooperation."
Tool use and social cooperation, sounds interesting. Let's see, that seems to be figures 3 and 4 from page 4. Once you get over the idea of modeling an animal with a disc, it seems a little bizarre that figures 3 or 4 have anything to do with intelligent behavior. Figure 3 is about one disc bouncing off another disc so that a third disc goes into a cylinder. I would say that doesn't really capture the essence of how "non-human animals" use tools. Then the social cooperation example is about a big disc attached to a string, that moves differently when 2 smaller discs touch it at the same time, and then under some specific configuration the discs have "social cooperation" to move the big disc. As far as I can tell, whether or not moving the big disc is an intelligent decision or not seems to not matter in this example.
We then get very bold claims, such as "physical agents driven by causal entropic forces might be viewed from a Darwinian perspective as competing to consume future histories."
Re: Physicist proposes new way to think about intelligence
#55The connections are slim, but it sounds a bit like the NES AI, which played Mario pretty successfully just by "making bits go up" (more or less).
No you are right. You can compare this to almost any AI that uses a similar strategy, to predict the future and maximize some goal. The cool thing about this is that it defines it's goal as something general purpose enough to create interesting behaviors in a lot of different situations.
But the hard part of AI is actually predicting the future in the first place. Exploring a search tree with billions and billions of possibilities. Or worse, trying to figure out how the world works in the first place from a limited set of observations, then doing that. Figuring out the goal of the AI was never really the hard part.
Re: Physicist proposes new way to think about intelligence
#56This is a stunningly elegant proposal. It seems to apply to any field as well, which inspires confidence.
The idea of all Life as simply the Evolution fitness function over the maximization of Entropy...!
Re: Physicist proposes new way to think about intelligence
#57I'm surprised they got through the whole article without mentioning Nietzsche's der Wille zur Macht (will to power), which seems to be qualitatively identical (or at least very similar) to this proposal. Not bad for a philosopher from the 1800s.
That was the first thing that occurred to me, too.
As the earlier discussion about chess suggests, interactions with other intelligent agents complicate matters. An intelligent agent shouldn't just attempt to maximise the number of possible states -- such an agent may well choose to be passive, and allow the other agent to run the show, which isn't a very useful outcome. Rather, an intelligent agent should attempt to maximise the number of outcomes WHICH IT CAN DETERMINE. And that is the will to power.
Re: Physicist proposes new way to think about intelligence
#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's about trying to minimize entropy (disorder) of the system. Maximum entropy is maximum disorder (which the universe tends toward naturally), such as when the pendulum hangs below the cart without any intervention.
Yeah, I had to parse the article a couple times because the wording is wrong. It seems to me that entropica is trying to minimize the entropy of the system. Life is all about low entropy.
Indeed. I'd say intelligence tries to keep its environment in a state it can predict.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
The need to reproduce is more fundamental, and there are plenty of examples in nature of animals sacrificing homeostasis in order to reproduce -- male black widow spiders, for example. It's obvious why this would be the case; that's how evolution works. Keeping your future options open is a nice heuristic, but it's not necessarily an end goal.
Reproducing captures more future states than not reproducing, since it allows some of your collected information to extend past your death.
You can explain almost any process with this theory, and that's why it's useless. Trying to "capture more future states" is not the reason certain traits evolve, they evolve simply because they are more likely to survive and reproduce.
Re: Physicist proposes new way to think about intelligence
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes: http://alexwg.org/
Whelp, that's completely unreadable to me. Undergraduate computer science fail. I got as far as "the model of this physical process of entropy can act as a search function for lower entropic states, which given some poking, can resemble problem solution states". It's the poking part that is problematic. >To better understand this classical-thermal form (11) of causal entropic forcingwe simulated its effect [12,13] on…
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