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Re: Bing doesn't support SSL

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Post by nivla »

lelandbatey wrote: post #137
NelsonMinar wrote: post #77

Bing is important. It's a good search engine, comparable to Google's quality and size. And it's the only competition Google has in the US and most of Europe. (Sites like DuckDuckGo and Yahoo pass queries on to Bing). Dumb errors like this SSL problem are embarassing, but the larger frustration is how despite years of having a good product, they have so little market traction.

I didn't know that DuckDuckGo and Yahoo pass their queries onto Bing. Does anyone else have any information on that, it sounds really interesting.

If I recall correctly, DDG used to solely depend on Bing's Search API but now they use various sources including their own to compile the search result.

Re: Bing doesn't support SSL

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Post by timthelion »

huhtenberg wrote: post #126
timthelion wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, it's been like this a really long time. I just noticed, that HN stories which have nondescript titles fare better, so I decided to conduct a little experiment. 1st spot on the front page seems to confirm my hypothesis.

Was it you who changed the submission title or was it some mod acting up yet again? The original was interesting and it wasn't factually inaccurate.

Some mod... I was quite surprised when I saw it.

Re: Bing doesn't support SSL

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Post by elliottcarlson »

johngunderman wrote: post #67
elliottcarlson wrote: post #60

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We were experiencing a similar issue with a third party analytics solution where their SSL cert all of the sudden started to be delivered by Akamai as opposed to the FQDN of the company, as it was before. I am curious if Akamai is at fault here?

Was this in the past week? Because just a few days ago I was experiencing a similar problem. I attempted to access https://rememberthemilk.com and chrome complained about the SSL cert, as I was receiving the cert for their CDN and not for rememberthemilk itself. I couldn't find anyone that could reproduce the issue, but it occurred consistently on my computer regardless of browser. It resolved itself 20 min after I f…

Yeah - happened on Tuesday and was cleared up the following morning.

Re: Bing doesn't support SSL

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Post by marshray »

dhruvbird wrote: post #139
rhplus wrote: post #97

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TL;DR: Bing doesn't support SSL on www.bing.com and has never publicized it as a supported feature. The submitter had to manually type https://www.bing.com into the address bar to generate this 'error'. Bing does support SSL on ssl.bing.com and publishes various links on that sub-domain, such as https://ssl.bing.com/webmaster/home/mysites The fact that the https://www.bing.com redirects to the HTTP version should be…

Why don't they just support the thing that is most reasonably expected and not surprise n00bs like me.

Because it would change a massive amount of infrastructure and get about 10 hits a day.

(OK, 10 hits a day is probably an exaggeration but shockingly little of one.)

Re: Bing doesn't support SSL

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Post by marshray »

piyush_soni wrote: post #102
gcb0 wrote: post #74

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...what kind of massage you received? My browser only talk about the warning, but i only have old chromium... Not auto-updating g chrome

All people giving downvotes to this comment, I think you are being unfair to this person who just seems to have a bad English. He probably meant "message".

The medium is the massage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Medium_Is_The_Massage

Re: Bing doesn't support SSL

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Post by ricardobeat »

wiml wrote: post #129
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #113

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>TL;DR: Bing doesn't support SSL on www.bing.com and has never publicized it as a supported feature. The submitter had to manually type https://www.bing.com into the address bar to generate this 'error'. Or use HTTPS Everywhere. Personally, I'd also like it if in future, web browsers would try HTTPS first and HTTP second.

I don't think browsers should assume that http://blahblah and https://blahblah refer to the same resource.

Why not?

Re: Bing doesn't support SSL

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Post by ricardobeat »

deepblueocean wrote: post #31

Wow. This has been going on for an hour now. It's such a simple fix, especially since one would assume that they already have a valid cert somewhere (or that Akamai does). Yet they've had an hour of SSL downtime. Does anyone know if Bing has any SSL-only clients? Like do any of their toolbars or built-in search widgets in Windows use SSL by default?

According to MS guys this is not an error, SSL is supported at https://ssl.bing.com/ which is what their tools use.

Re: Bing doesn't support SSL

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Post by marshray »

ajross wrote: post #89
T-hawk wrote: post #81

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> There's no reason to send a page to your users over HTTPS if they can't trust the certificate. There can be. HTTPS still gives you encryption over the wire. It still protects against a passive eavesdropper, like a casual packet sniffer on a public wi-fi network. The whole certificate deal protects against a Mallory with power to intercept and spoof messages. Of course nobody on the public internet can be sure there…

Right. MitM attacks and variants are a proper subset of the mischief that can be achieved with an unsecured connection. Among other things, it's routine that people (hi!) use self-signed certs for personal or temporary TLS sites. I'd be very annoyed to pass a basic-auth-protected https git url to someone for quick-and-mostly-secure read-only access and have their access be denied by a local proxy...

Every time a lazy and narrow-minded admin causes a browser user to click through a certificate error to access a site, God kills a RAID array.

Re: Bing doesn't support SSL

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Post by nivla »

NelsonMinar wrote: post #77

Bing is important. It's a good search engine, comparable to Google's quality and size. And it's the only competition Google has in the US and most of Europe. (Sites like DuckDuckGo and Yahoo pass queries on to Bing). Dumb errors like this SSL problem are embarassing, but the larger frustration is how despite years of having a good product, they have so little market traction.

I have noticed that Bing is actually getting better. However, I still prefer Google for most things. Google "assumes" what you are looking for, this can be good or bad depending on what you are searching. Bing on the other hand is like the early version of Google, literal search with minimum assumption. I am glad it is there as a fallback from Google. If the Google servers go down or if they pull some crap like ban Google search from windows phone, Bing is a decent alternative.

One thing I really appreciate from Bing is catching upto Google maps. Throughout the whole Google Maps and Windows phone fiasco, I din't miss GMaps a bit, between Nokia Maps[1] and Bing Maps [2], there isn't much I missing out from not using Google maps. Infact, I would to love Google to catch up to Nokia by offering offline maps.

Another mention is their Bing Flight [3] search, similar to kayak minus their cookie/OS price manipulations. It also comes with an awesome price prediction.

Overall, Bing has some great products but if they really want to compete with Google Search, they really need to improve their algo.

[1] http://here.com [2] http://maps.bing.com [3] http://flights.bing.com

Re: Bing doesn't support SSL

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Post by nivla »

olegbl wrote: post #128

Neither does Hulu. https://hulu.com/ Amazon redirects to HTTP: https://www.amazon.com/ Netflix redirects to HTTP: https://netflix.com/ Etc... Etc... Etc... Why pick on Bing?

I wished if Youtube videos were allowed under https. Currently, it just redirects to an error. If it didn't, this will put an end to ISPs throttling the Youtube streaming.
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