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http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=201...
What's scary is how cheap it is to buy politicians.
Like anything else, it's an auction, and generally on a per-issue basis.
Rep. Mike Rogers Calls CISPA Opponents "14 Year Old Tweeters in Their Basement"
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> So getting an internet connection from a company that has opted in means I have no protection against searches and seizures (almost arbitrarily based on an individual's web habbits) no, that's not anywhere in the bill. did you read the bill?
I'd argue that it is. He's on "Hacker News". It would be perfectly reasonable for an automated system that is designed to look for security-related activity to report that fact. The bill, as it is written, says any action his ISP now takes, or anyone that they share his information with (which would then be allowed to do, with anyone in the poorly defined "cybersecurity club"), is fully acceptable as long as it was "…
How does the bill's definition of an attack include sites with "hacker" in the name?
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it seems these days you can swap out the word "politics" in that quote with just about any other field and it'll remain just as true.
That's what we call capitalism. The difference is that politicians are supposed to represent the people, not just the people with money, but in practice they are also capitalists.
I'm curious as to why you think this is unique to capitalism. Politicians in every political system tend to help those who can return the favor. Whether it's communist leaders who award control of industries to their army buddies or socialist leaders who enact barriers to entry to advantage their schoolmates, this occurs everywhere.
At least when it's pay-for-favors the public can follow the money. Not to mention the fact that under this system, any ordinary citizen has a much better chance of affecting outcomes by encouraging others to pool resources than he would have under systems that afford people power mainly, or solely, through kinship or affiliation.
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That's what we call capitalism. The difference is that politicians are supposed to represent the people, not just the people with money, but in practice they are also capitalists.
I'm curious as to why you think this is unique to capitalism. Politicians in every political system tend to help those who can return the favor. Whether it's communist leaders who award control of industries to their army buddies or socialist leaders who enact barriers to entry to advantage their schoolmates, this occurs everywhere. At least when it's pay-for-favors the public can follow the money. Not to mention the…
I think you've misread my comment. My "capitalism" bit was about "any other field", not politics.
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I'd argue that it is. He's on "Hacker News". It would be perfectly reasonable for an automated system that is designed to look for security-related activity to report that fact. The bill, as it is written, says any action his ISP now takes, or anyone that they share his information with (which would then be allowed to do, with anyone in the poorly defined "cybersecurity club"), is fully acceptable as long as it was "…
How does the bill's definition of an attack include sites with "hacker" in the name?
CISPA contains no definition of "attack", nor does it limit itself to "actual attacks", or anything resembling that language.
Furthermore, if it did, it doesn't matter. Bad actors are allowed to be wrong, with impunity, if they promise that it was "in good faith".
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How does the number of people who hit the signup sheet and didn't read the details matter to their argument or how they have backed up their position?
The site is not designed to get people to learn about CISPA, it's designed to elicit an immediate reaction. The fact that it somehow links to additional background information (we'll stipulate that the background information is accurate) is not a meaningful response to my complaint.
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Just read it. Unless I'm mistaken there's a liability shield. If that's true, this bill is bullshit. Liability shields do not protect consumers. They use the force of the State to protect corporations, which is totally against the free market. "EXEMPTION FROM LIABILITY.—No civil or criminal cause of action shall lie or be maintained in Federal or State court against a protected entity, self-protected entity, cybersec…
The liability shield is practically the whole point of the bill; there are something like 10 federal laws that restrict what information can be shared in any circumstance, intentionally or not, which precludes a bunch of different forms of cooperation during attack. A simple use case for this law: you are under a concerted DDOS attack. Your network deals with, say, drivers records. Drivers records are protected under…
Why on earth would you need to send the actual drivers records? Of course we don't want to share that. Nothing in the DPPA prevents sharing netflows.
And that is kind of a poor justification because we know that society doesn't currently have an epidemic of people DDoSing the DMV.
Someone else wants this passed, and they really want it passed. It ain't the DMV.