Alright, what did the guy from Microsoft say on twitter to get him fired?
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I Stand With Trolls
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#22None of these people were fired simply for their Twitter comments. Their employers wanted to let them go but needed an excuse.
Then those companies are run by idiots.
If you really want to fire someone, swallow your pride and write a decent severance package, but do it same-day. If things are really at that point, then waiting does no good.
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#23Just an anecdote, which I know is not the singular form of 'data', but still: I respect Mozilla as a company, but have no desire to work there (despite there being a lot of technology fit) because the CTO, Brendan Eich, made a donation of $1,000 to support Prop 8—a 2008 California ballot measure which banned gay marriage. Sure, I understood that his views were not those of his employer. But that doesn't make it easie…
I think it's a terrible idea to judge other people's political decisions until you've walked a mile in their shoes. If you are a professional, you should be ready to work with anyone, not just the people who agree with you. Your view is not objectively correct. To insist otherwise is fascism.
I dislike your name and sense that we would probably disagree on most things. However, your statement about being able to work with others is true. One of the most important things I learned early in my career is that some people have horrible personalities but are really good at what they do. As long as personality conflicts aren't interfering with the purpose of getting business done, your beliefs and mine don't have to interact.
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#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apparently Orth later stated that: >“[That was] just the normal daily back and forth I have with Manveer,” Orth wrote on Twitter later. “Apologies for offending non-cities. I was trolling him personally.” http://venturebeat.com/2013/04/05/microsoft-studios-creative...
Unfortunately for him, what his words meant in context is irrelevant. He gave the public a hint that Microsoft might feel like people should just put up with the always-connected nature of consoles, and that Microsoft intended to steamroll the naysayers. That's just bad PR no matter what anyone meant to say or who they meant to say it to.
I was explaining why the author chose the "with trolls" part of the title. What you say is already understood.
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#25Just an anecdote, which I know is not the singular form of 'data', but still: I respect Mozilla as a company, but have no desire to work there (despite there being a lot of technology fit) because the CTO, Brendan Eich, made a donation of $1,000 to support Prop 8—a 2008 California ballot measure which banned gay marriage. Sure, I understood that his views were not those of his employer. But that doesn't make it easie…
I think it's a terrible idea to judge other people's political decisions until you've walked a mile in their shoes. If you are a professional, you should be ready to work with anyone, not just the people who agree with you. Your view is not objectively correct. To insist otherwise is fascism.
I don't think that fascism means what you think it means. The fascists I have argued with, and this does follow some excerpts from Mussolini's works and speeches, are subjectivists.
And yes, they do exist. They are actually a pest in certain forums. 4chan has a board which functions essentially as a ghetto for them and other miscellaneous right wingers, so that they won't be screwing up, say, the science or the sports boards with white supremacist spiel.
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#26Saying unpopular things on Twitter isn't trolling. You stand with people who speak their mind in public. I'm not sure you mean to stand with the trolls. Those people usually aren't speaking their minds.
This is a reasonable distinction, because there are people who actually troll with malignant intent, and then there are others who are perceived as trolls because they make important points in a socially unacceptable way. The former are a blight on society; the latter are necessary to get anything done because most good things start out being socially unacceptable.
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#27If you are fired for something you said outside of work that doesn't really affect your job, it means you weren't very valuable to the company.
This is my criteria for understanding if I actually worth something to my company/organization/team.
How much can I screw up and still be a part of this organization? That is value.
If you are one stupid meaningless tweet away from being fired, you should be looking for another job.
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#28Just an anecdote, which I know is not the singular form of 'data', but still: I respect Mozilla as a company, but have no desire to work there (despite there being a lot of technology fit) because the CTO, Brendan Eich, made a donation of $1,000 to support Prop 8—a 2008 California ballot measure which banned gay marriage. Sure, I understood that his views were not those of his employer. But that doesn't make it easie…
> "It’s about the message they give to potential hires: you’ll be working with these people on a daily basis."
At any company larger than about 3 employees, you'll be working with at least some people who have opinions/ideas/beliefs you find disagreeable or even disgusting -- and, conversely, some of your coworkers will think the same of you.
IMO the most important message to give to potential hires is "we won't put your job in jeopardy over such disagreements". Firing people over political disagreements rules out a huge number of potential employees.
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#29Just an anecdote, which I know is not the singular form of 'data', but still: I respect Mozilla as a company, but have no desire to work there (despite there being a lot of technology fit) because the CTO, Brendan Eich, made a donation of $1,000 to support Prop 8—a 2008 California ballot measure which banned gay marriage. Sure, I understood that his views were not those of his employer. But that doesn't make it easie…
I think it's a terrible idea to judge other people's political decisions until you've walked a mile in their shoes. If you are a professional, you should be ready to work with anyone, not just the people who agree with you. Your view is not objectively correct. To insist otherwise is fascism.
Give me a break, no it's not.
Sure, some opinions and politics are clearly subjective, however many others are clearly discrimination and bigotry. Anyone is free to spout their bigotry all they want, but I won't think any less of anyone who does not want to work for bigots or with them or even associate with them in any way. And I definitely won't blame any employeer who feels people like this reflect badly on their company and their culture.
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#30People use each other's employers to beat each other into submission. When that PyCon 2013 shitstorm went down, the Righteous Male Anger crew were very vocal about their plans to end all their business relationships with SendGrid in retaliation for Adria Richard's actions. It was a calculated move intended to get her fired for what she did. Presumably the dude who got canned for his remarks earlier in that sorry saga was the victim of similar pressure from her supporters.
Sometimes this happens because people force it to happen.