It's just my opinion, but I believe the scope has been mistaken. People have had a tendency to miss on scale throughout history in regards to both the micro and macro spheres. What we call the universe today, I believe there may be a trillion of them (connected in the same way that galaxies are). They're so large and so far apart, we still don't realize it yet. I believe we've missed on the macro scale just like we d…
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Then where are they?
My guess is that there are other civilizations out there, but they're suffering from the exact same problems as us - long distances, huge energy requirements, lots of time. If we can't get out to the stars, I can see why plenty of civilizations would be having trouble.
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Then where are they?
It appears to be phenomenally difficult to get from point to point in the galaxy/universe (see the recent trend in science-fiction to stick to a speed of light limited universe). If we come up with some fantastic energy source (see: ZPE), then I'll say that it's phenomenally slow so that no civilization would invest in doing it. If we come up with some civilization that would do so, I'd point out that it's phenomenally slow/difficult to send signals across universal distances. Rational folks think that non-solar-local interactions are probably not possible... Large brained rational folks think to look for solar-local artifacts of Kardashev-scale>1 civilizations (see: http://www.personal.psu.edu/jtw13/blogs/astrowright/2013/03/...).
Recall that early explorers met Native Americans and called them Indians because they had misinterpreted distances, didn't know all of the continents, etc. We have a history of overcoming increasingly large distances with improved transport. This does not mean that we shall always do so.
It may be depressing, but it may be the case that exponential curves in natural do not exist. We may live in a time where we understand that sigmoids rule the evolution of our world/civilizations...
(And no the plural of Malthus is not proof of an exponential curves in nature...)
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#74"The alternative - that we're the first civilisation, in the first universe - is virtually (no pun intended) absurd." As opposed to us simply being some other civilization on one of the other billions of habitable planets in that same "first" universe?
Yes, but if we are in a simulation we can almost answer the Fine-tuned Universe Paradox too, two birds with one stone. That is nice for Occam's rasor reasons.
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#75You decide.
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#76That and the Finely Tuned Universe Paradox (the Goldilocks Enigma) is why I can't easily consider myself an atheist. I mean, chances are, this universe is "intelligently designed", in the most literal sense. I call it the "Alien God Hypothesis". It's probable that a race of aliens has mastered the "world creation mechanism", either by simulation or by physical hacking (who knows, maybe they can control black holes an…
In the 20th century, one could be ignorant and scoff at the idea that Mankind might ever create a universe, and therefore scoff by extension at the idea that anyone or anything else could either... but now we know better. We've got universe prototypes already in production as ongoing commercial concerns (far more than mere theory!), at various stages of incredible primitiveness, but prototypes nonetheless. Rather than a massive leap, it is now merely logical progression that something, somewhere in some reality may actually have the knowledge and the resources to have "created" our universe, for some value of the term "created".
(I speak here of science in the vague philosophical movement sense. As much as it would like to claim total philosophical neutrality, there are certain Opinions that are Had.)
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#77If the universe was a computer program, it would have crashed by now.
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#78"The theory basically goes that any civilisation which could evolve to a 'post-human' stage would almost certainly learn to run simulations on the scale of a universe. And that given the size of reality - billions of worlds, around billions of suns - it is fairly likely that if this is possible, it has already happened." That sounds distinctly like Anselm's ontological proof for the existence of God, and thus likely…
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Then where are they?
The obvious point is, we may very well be the first, or 10th. And that's precisely why 'they' aren't anywhere.
And it's plausible that we're vastly underestimating how difficult it actually is to spread machines throughout the galaxy.
I don't happen to agree with the notion that we'd have to see evidence by now if there has been other life.
It's entirely plausible that a hundred other unique humanoids have existed on this planet, a billion or two years before we did, and that they all failed with minimum trace. We know for a fact that several variations have failed, so why not another 100? And if it's so difficult, then why not apply those odds to other planets?
In five billion years our planet, which is very hospitable to life, has managed to produce one currently existing 'intelligent' life form (that can barely fly to the moon). That means it's extraordinarily rare even on our planet. By most measures, humans barely managed to survive, and we got lucky to so far avoid a wipeout event.
The odds of life being generated in any given billion year time frame, on a planet that can possibly support it, and assuming the right conditions for intelligent life (eg that the planet doesn't get destroyed or altered by an asteroid etc), and on the reduction goes.
I think spacefaring life is exceptionally rare, and it only gets X amount of time to potentially exist before the solar system or galaxy or universe crushes it.
In short, I don't think there's enough time for intelligent life to span even a galaxy before being wiped out by nature. And why don't we see probes floating around? For the same reason Voyager will eventually be obliterated by rocks in space or gravity (and in the time scale of the milky way, it won't be a very long before that happens).