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The Terrifying Reality of Long-Term Unemployment

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Re: The Terrifying Reality of Long-Term Unemployment

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>>There is another side of this that the article doesn't touch on: home ownership. Oh boy. There's so much I can say about this topic, and none of it is positive. Basically, the way our culture mindlessly promotes home ownership is insane. Absolutely insane! Every time I hear people complaining about "throwing away money" by renting, and how they would rather put that money into a house, I want to hold them by the sh…

It's a very simple mathematical error - people compare the cost of a mortgage payment with the cost of a month's rent, failing to take into account that only a tiny fraction of the mortgage payment actually becomes equity. If they actually sit down and work it out, most people are astonished at how much flexibility they sacrifice for that small slice of equity.

Precisely. If its more expensive to rent the money than rent the house, there is no gain.

Of course, the tax deduction is worth something, inducing people to do things they would not otherwise do. And no capital gains tax on profits. And first time assistance. And whatever else there is running up government deficits.

Its a big ponzi scheme. It blew up once and I guess they know how to profit on the way up and on the way down. Its Mr. and Mrs. Joe Average who get skewered.

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It's because 2/3 of Americans are homeowners, so for a majority of Americans, falling house prices are bad. It's the same thing for most goods - the price mechanism is inherently value-neutral, and then whether it's better if prices go up or down depends upon how many people are potentially on each side of the transaction. Falling wages are seen as a bad thing, because most Americans identify with labor and not capit…

>It's because 2/3 of Americans are homeowners, so for a majority of Americans, falling house prices are bad. Why? Those homeowners shouldn't care what the price of their house is. While they're living in it, it doesn't matter, and when they sell, presumably their next house will be cheaper too. The only time home prices should matter is in comparison to the overall market. If your house got cheaper while other homes…

Let's say I take out an $80,000 mortgage to buy a $100,000 house--which then appreciates to $120,000.

If I sell the house, I walk away with $40,000 in cash, which I can keep tax-free (a special privilege accorded the capital gains on your primary residence).

Now let's say I want to buy a home the same size--it's $120,000 too. But I only need a down payment of 20% to secure the mortgage--that's $24,000. So now I'm back in a house the same size as I had, but I have $16,000 tax-free in my pocket.

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>>There is another side of this that the article doesn't touch on: home ownership. Oh boy. There's so much I can say about this topic, and none of it is positive. Basically, the way our culture mindlessly promotes home ownership is insane. Absolutely insane! Every time I hear people complaining about "throwing away money" by renting, and how they would rather put that money into a house, I want to hold them by the sh…

One thing that puzzles me is that rising house prices are treated as inherently good, and falling house prices are seen as inherently bad. But for most things, it's the exact opposite - rising prices are bad. Is this just because newspaper articles are biased towards the perspective of real estate agents and homeowners? Or are high house prices good because houses are investments? Would cheap 3-d printed houses (hypo…

If you see the mania and avoid getting involved, patiently waiting until sanity returns, you can buy more cheaply. But you are still stuck paying for these insane policies, which cost hundreds of billions.

But we are avoiding that too, borrowing a trillion plus bucks a year. We will ultimately face the music and it will be when all the wiggle room is gone, because they wiggle as much as possible without regard to long term consequences.

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If you want to spend seven months watching TV, then document it. Explain your motivation, what you gained from the experience, etc. My earlier point was that the "we shall not speak of this time" gap in the resume is the problem, not that you were not making money during a period of time. Everything in life is a job, including watching TV. You just need to account for that time if you want people to not think you are…

>You just need to account for that time if you want people to not think you are sketchy and trying to hide something. In context of this article, most people aren't even given a chance to account for that time. Their application gets filtered out and they are never called in for an interview. That's one problem. Another problem is that it may not be relevant at all. Worse, it can be something that is highly personal.…

I am referring to accounting on the resume, not in an interview setting. Even getting sick and caring for yourself is a job, which could easily be accounted for, without going into too much detail.

Whether you should have to is another matter, but it seems clear that you do have to if you want equal chances with others. That doesn't make it right, but you have to work with the constraints you are given.

Re: The Terrifying Reality of Long-Term Unemployment

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"It's time for the government to start hiring the long-term unemployed." What the fuck? If you measure something you do not like, the immediate response should not be to grab a hammer and try to kill it. It probably exists for a reason. Understand the reason. Then take action. It may be that there is nothing you can do -- directly. Only a small few percentage points of the problems in the world go away through direct…

During the Great Depression, the government did exactly this, and it worked out extremely well. A lot of parks still use the infrastructure created by CCC employees, and the employees learned valuable work skills, earned a living, and were more productive in the economy and military once the spending boom of WWII began.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Conservation_Corps

Re: The Terrifying Reality of Long-Term Unemployment

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As a point of interest, miners in Australia are astoundingly well compensated and taken care of compared to resource extraction workers in other countries.

As a point of information, that was a point of information, not a point of interest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_of_information

Mao says: no use of the words "point of interest" while in a point of interest. Three penalty cards!

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And do you think the screeners won't start screening out "personal projects" if enough people start doing that? "Freelancing" for eight months after a career of working for other people, and suspiciously little to show for the freelancing... I wonder what that's about?

It's already happening. Last time I applied for a job was after just shy of two years of contract work full-time. They asked for a portfolio which I sent over. I was confused when they asked for more as I had already picked my best work. After supplying some more samples I asked the hiring manager why they had requested more and was essentially told they were looking at not only quality, but also quantity. They wante…

To be clear, I'm not suggesting somebody flat out lies and claims they were consulting when they were really playing xbox.

I'm suggesting making some actual effort, saying "part time freelancing whilst seeking other opportunities" sounds better than "collected unemployment"

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How on earth then are so many illegal immigrants making enough money to both survive and also send money back to their families in their native countries? Also, anecdotally, and since you brought it up, I was in a situation where I lived for many years at or below the poverty line, but I made due by living in inexpensive apartments I split with other people in the same situation. I think most young adults who aren't…

> How on earth then are so many illegal immigrants making enough money to both survive and also send money back to their families in their native countries? no taxes? no health care? no social security?

People with salaries close to the poverty line don't really pay much in taxes.

Re: The Terrifying Reality of Long-Term Unemployment

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Ironically, having a child is likely the best possible response to have for why you have a year gap in employment. For the all-male resumes used in this experiment, hr and hiring managers would be more likely to assume the gap was due to work-related reasons (lazy, unskilled, unintelligent, etc) as opposed to the socially accepted and positive reason of childbirth.

Is this an analysis the experiment actually did, or your presumption about how hiring managers view time taken off for child care?

The experiment only tested male resumes. So, no, it did not perform this analysis. Personally, I'm not sure what to expect if we changed the gender.

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The piece that I see ALWAYS neglected is maintenance. I rent and pay nothing additional to maintain the place. Washing machine breaks - landlord fixes it. Carpets wearing out (minus things that are obviously my fault) - landlord replaces it. Everyone I talk to who owns is constantly upgrading or replacing or fixing something in their house. It seems, on average, home maintenance is about 66-75% of my rent check; and…

the landlord then retains your deposit for "spurious" cleaning or do US landlords not do this nasty little scam.

Just write the deposit off and if you get any back, consider it a blessing. It's odd that you give it so much weight when it's usually less than a single month's rent.
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