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Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

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Really PG? https://twitter.com/paulg/status/323909260826259457

Just a little too soon after, only a couple hours, combined with confusion over for-profit status makes it look tone deaf but it is really not. People are suffering - help suffering people.

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We did not have a knee jerk response to the Oklahoma City bombing? What would you call this rights-contracting law then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiterrorism_and_Effective_De...

AEDPA is designed to keep people from spamming the federal courts with frivolous habeas petitions, particularly in capital cases. It has 'anti-terrorism' in the name, but it's almost entirely about the 'effective death penalty' part.[1] Among other things it's heavily focused on forcing federal courts to give more deference to state court judgments and avoiding situations where prisoners invoke minor technical violat…

"It doesn't limit habeas rights--it creates stricter procedures for invoking that right"

Much like free speech zones don't limit free speech rights, they just create stricter procedures for exercising those rights.

AEDPA was not just about habeas corpus rights. It covers penalties for conspiracies that involve explosives and for hacking into government computers. It covers counterfeiting activities. It covers law enforcement training and assistance. It covers international terrorist funding and investigation.

It is like an embryonic version of the PATRIOT act.

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

#403

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Would you say that your site traffic is blowing up in response to this event? EDIT: Sorry, sorry--in a weird headspace from the news. In all seriousness, did you actually just launch a product in this thread? EDIT2: Just remember, when launching a product--it's not a sprint, it's a marathon.

I don't really think your "EDIT2" is called for.

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

#404
post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The police were notified about the Lloyds / Bishopsgate bombing and the Harrods bombing by the IRA, who has a long history of doing that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Bishopsgate_bombing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrods_bombing The Eniskillen bomb was aimed at British soldiers and thus no warning was given. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day_bombing

10 out of the 11 killed at Eniskillen were civilians. 3 out of 3 killed in the Harrods bombing were civilians. How many civilians were kneecapped or murdered in Eire and NI? But sure, go ahead and believe that the P/IRA were the good sort of terrorists.

All terrorism is bad. Including both sides of the NI debate, the ANC and Apartheid government of South Africa, Hamas and the IDF all of which have deliberately targeted civilians.

But although the IRA did kill civilians, this generally wasn't their goal and they took steps to actively prevent that. Re: Eniskillen, read your link. Neither you nor I know the truth. Re: Harrods, acknowledged.

Kidnappings and murders in Ireland and NI were done on both sides, the IRA disarmed when the RUC, a British state run organization that also collaborated with terrorist paramilitaries was disbanded.

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

#405

CBS LOCAL reports that security footage shows man with multiple backpacks near the scene before explosion, reporters suggest devices were placed in trashcans, and police have recovered at least one unexploded device: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/15/several-hurt-in-explos... Update: Police commissioner Ed Davis claims there is no suspect in custody: http://www.businessinsider.com/live-boston-mayor-holds-press...…

I wouldn't rely on the NYPost, at all. They're still saying the death toll was 12 when everyone else says it was 2.

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

#406

Really PG? https://twitter.com/paulg/status/323909260826259457

Just a little too soon after, only a couple hours, combined with confusion over for-profit status makes it look tone deaf but it is really not. People are suffering - help suffering people.

As pg tries to explain, it's not a YC company but a charity he supports (and therefore knows about) and it's also one that he thinks can help people get (afford) medical treatment.

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

#407
post #120

Secondary explosions ( and/or fires ) reported (on MSNBC shortly before Chris Jansing took over coverage at 4PM EST) at the JFK Library and another undisclosed location. Footage of black fumes from (allegedly) the JFK Library has been briefly shown before cutting back to the coverage of the main explosion at the Boston marathon. The fire at the library has been initially reported to have been controlled. No casualtie…

The fire at the JFK Library has just been reported as mechanical and non-suspicious or 'affiliated' with the explosions. Source: http://www1.whdh.com/video/7newslive/ 7-news live broadcast Update: https://twitter.com/BostonGlobe/status/323886879453892609 It was an intentional and controlled detonation of a 'device'.

Different library. The one the Globe tweet refers to is the Boston Public Library, right by the finish line. The JFK Library is on the opposite side of the city.

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

#408

Its things like this that really make me wonder how we can progress as a society with nutjobs like this. Without sounding like a hippy, the world is filled with so much violence and hate. If these people (and they're all over) put more effort into building society instead of destroying we could really progress. It takes a special kind of asshole to do this.

I don't see the point in imagining a world without psychopaths. It'd be lovely, but no amount of societal structure will ever remove them, we can only try to reach them whenever possible and lessen their influence on others.

That's a pretty cynical world view. I think a lot of bad stuff happens for reasons that could be taken away given better social structures, e.g., people who are abusive because they were abused themselves, desperation because of poverty, etc. There are probably psychopaths which simply have the genetic disposition for that, but violence perpetrated for ideological reasons is definitely something that society could address one way or another.

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

#409
post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Transit is much harder and has a much stronger security presence - people in general are also far more alert for suspicious packages. It would be much tougher I'd think to get something like this onto a subway rather than a huge crowd.

Whoops I looked it up and apparently a "mall" in boston is what the rest of the world would call a boulevard or parkway. So they're actually evac a street lined with trees. My worry was it they're shoving people in immense lines thru the doors of what the rest of the world would call a "mall" making a tempting target for the opfor. I am surprised its verified to be packages and not dudes wearing vests or whatever. Th…

Actually Boston uses "mall" in the same way as the English and Australians.

Re: Explosions near Boston Marathon finish line

#410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We did not have a knee jerk response to the Oklahoma City bombing? What would you call this rights-contracting law then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiterrorism_and_Effective_De...

AEDPA is designed to keep people from spamming the federal courts with frivolous habeas petitions, particularly in capital cases. It has 'anti-terrorism' in the name, but it's almost entirely about the 'effective death penalty' part.[1] Among other things it's heavily focused on forcing federal courts to give more deference to state court judgments and avoiding situations where prisoners invoke minor technical violat…

Well, we're certainly going to disagree about whether the AEDPA is good law or not. I happen to think it abridges liberties, but that's beside the point. The point is that its passage was very much in response to the Oklahoma City Bombings, even if its legacy today has to do with habeas petitions.

See this:

"But within weeks of the Oklahoma City bombing, the Senate voted 91 to 8 to pass the Comprehensive Terrorism Protection Act of 1995, which cut back sharply on state death-row inmates’ access to federal court. This bill eventually morphed into the broader Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, which President Clinton signed shortly after the first anniversary of the bombing. Standing on the south lawn of the White House, in the presence of family members of the victims of Oklahoma City and other recent terrorist incidents, the president declared that the new law “strikes a mighty blow” against terrorism." [1]

And also [2], which notes that a draft of the AEDPA also contained additional surveillance powers, among other things.

I'd definitely call the AEDPA a knee jerk reaction.

[1] http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/27/homegrown-hu...

[2] http://books.google.com/books?id=H_RrLyV9rDUC&lpg=PA31&#...

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