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News is bad for you – and giving up reading it will make you happier

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Re: News is bad for you – and giving up reading it will make you happier

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post #187

With 7 billion people in the world, it's very likely that these things will happen today: - someone will get killed in a horrible car accident - a child will be killed in a freak accident - someone will die from cancer, leaving much grieving behind - someone will molest a child - someone will lose all their money in a scam - someone will get raped - someone will be killed by a never-to-be-found hit-and-run drunk driv…

Think about it this way - what if someone is being raped every day in the parking ramp at your office, or murdered on the street you ride your bike to work each morning? If you heard about it on the news, you could change your route to work or ride with a buddy to increase your safety.

I could also get hit by a piece of space junk falling on my head.

What is more likely, as the article points out, is that I'll read a lot of reports that distorts the actual risks of various types of events, and change my behaviour in ways that negatively affect me.

Re: News is bad for you – and giving up reading it will make you happier

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citizens surrender their control of information flow when they accept mandatory public education and learn to accept a regimented doses of "knowledge" by schedule. The alternatives are to become "knowledge" rebels, which often means not just bucking the establishment, but one's peer groups as well, whom you can't escape in mandatory educational institutions. Real education begins when mandatory learning ends.

>Citizens surrender their control of information flow when they accept mandatory public education and learn to accept a regimented doses of "knowledge" by schedule. WTF? Did I step into an Alex Jones site by mistake here? checks URL Guess not. Here's the thing.. mandatory public education, for its flaws, is still better than the alternative. Some minimum level of knowledge and socialization is all but required in ord…

> Complaints that education is either stunting the growth of our children or training them to become consumers or indoctrinating them or whatever are the marks of someone who should not be taken seriously.

Dropping the critical context of "mandatory" and "public"...hard to take that seriously.

> Here's the thing.. mandatory public education, for its flaws, is still better than the alternative.

What is the alternative again? "Non-mandatory" education, "non-public" education, or simply no education? Since the context was already dropped, the uncareful reader may be lead (like a student) down the wrong track of assuming the original poster (vis-a-vis me) doesn't like education. If you can accept that education can be non-mandatory and/or non-public, then the educated reader can agree that education is still a good.

> Some minimum level of knowledge and socialization is all but required in order for a child to grow into a productive member of society (and I'd almost argue that the socialization is somewhat more important than the knowledge), especially when you're dealing with STEM topics that directly relate to and impact our economic and infrastructure backbone.

I firmly believe being educated is important to each individual, which is why leaving it to the machinations of local, state or federal political will and self-serving bureaucracy is an uneducated leap of faith. The socialization aspect of mandatory public education is the goal of said education, it isn't to make the individual better, it is to make a person that the rest of society can keep in formation.

That said, since the original article was about mass media, this is precisely what mass media's goal also is, once the pupil's graduate; provide the same ordering of knowledge and socialization of issues, and common responses to predetermined stories.

Re: News is bad for you – and giving up reading it will make you happier

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post #187

With 7 billion people in the world, it's very likely that these things will happen today: - someone will get killed in a horrible car accident - a child will be killed in a freak accident - someone will die from cancer, leaving much grieving behind - someone will molest a child - someone will lose all their money in a scam - someone will get raped - someone will be killed by a never-to-be-found hit-and-run drunk driv…

Think about it this way - what if someone is being raped every day in the parking ramp at your office, or murdered on the street you ride your bike to work each morning? If you heard about it on the news, you could change your route to work or ride with a buddy to increase your safety.

Nobody is going to be raped in the parking ramp at your office EVERY DAY. It may happen once but statistically it'll never happen again in that location.

Someone may be murdered on the street you ride your bike to work each morning. And, unless you live in Compton its unlikely to ever happen again. And if you do live in Compton why the hell are you riding your bike to work through a war zone you moron?! :)

But lets just say these things do in fact happen. Likely, you're not going to hear about them from the news. You're going to hear about them from a friend, family member, and/or co-worker long before seeing it on the news.

The point of this article isn't that the news is bad because its news. Its that news is bad because all the media outlets focus on the wrong things (rapes, murders, etc...). Things you actually don't need the news for in order to stay informed.

Where the news can be great is keeping a populace informed of their government. Nixon was taken down by news done well. Unfortunately, in the day of Fox News, being an informed populace is even becoming difficult.

Re: News is bad for you – and giving up reading it will make you happier

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post #187

With 7 billion people in the world, it's very likely that these things will happen today: - someone will get killed in a horrible car accident - a child will be killed in a freak accident - someone will die from cancer, leaving much grieving behind - someone will molest a child - someone will lose all their money in a scam - someone will get raped - someone will be killed by a never-to-be-found hit-and-run drunk driv…

I know how you feel. There is no point for the constant reminders. It won't help you protect yourself or others. There is nothing that can be done sadly (on an individual level) unless you are perhaps witnessing an event - but for reading of it as news, no.

Re: News is bad for you – and giving up reading it will make you happier

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post #187

With 7 billion people in the world, it's very likely that these things will happen today: - someone will get killed in a horrible car accident - a child will be killed in a freak accident - someone will die from cancer, leaving much grieving behind - someone will molest a child - someone will lose all their money in a scam - someone will get raped - someone will be killed by a never-to-be-found hit-and-run drunk driv…

Think about it this way - what if someone is being raped every day in the parking ramp at your office, or murdered on the street you ride your bike to work each morning? If you heard about it on the news, you could change your route to work or ride with a buddy to increase your safety.

Over the years I've had hobbies that emphasize the problem in a pretty clear way. The hobbies were video games, skydiving and general aviation, and general tech all of which get some national airplay when there is an incident. You can be sure reporting on any of these is at worst down right incorrect and at best out of context with a few facts thrown in.

When reporting disaster rate of incidents per 100,000 and a break down of the root causes as a percentage isn't as sexy as showing wreckage or other dramatic video.

Re: News is bad for you – and giving up reading it will make you happier

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Citizens surrender their control of information flow when they accept mandatory public education and learn to accept a regimented doses of "knowledge" by schedule. WTF? Did I step into an Alex Jones site by mistake here? checks URL Guess not. Here's the thing.. mandatory public education, for its flaws, is still better than the alternative. Some minimum level of knowledge and socialization is all but required in ord…

> Complaints that education is either stunting the growth of our children or training them to become consumers or indoctrinating them or whatever are the marks of someone who should not be taken seriously. Dropping the critical context of "mandatory" and "public"...hard to take that seriously. > Here's the thing.. mandatory public education, for its flaws, is still better than the alternative. What is the alternative…

>Dropping the critical context of "mandatory" and "public"...hard to take that seriously.

....it was implied. Add "mandatory" and "public" to the same sentence and my views and overall point do not change. Whenever someone refers to the education system as a whole, they are generally speaking about public schooling, and so was I. My intent was not to mislead, here.

>What is the alternative again?

Non mandatory? Then there's no point. There is a certain section of population that would rather see their kids doing something other than going to school every day, probably the ones that need it most. Inner cities where education is poor and money is tight, farms where there's more impetus to have help doing the work rather than getting educated, single working parents, etc etc.

Non-public? We already have private schools, they're almost completely the domain of the wealthy.

No education? .. don't think anything needs to be said here.

>leaving it to the machinations of local, state or federal political will and self-serving bureaucracy

What is the alternative? Schooling is arguably a type of infrastructure, and privatizing infrastructure seldom ever works out in the public's benefit. It's one of those high cost, low margin, delayed return activities that don't look good on a corporation's balance sheet.

>That said, since the original article was about mass media, this is precisely what mass media's goal also is, once the pupil's graduate; provide the same ordering of knowledge and socialization of issues, and common responses to predetermined stories.

I guess I don't see what you mean by this. I don't recall going to an "Everybody panic!!" class in elementary school, nor do I remember any sort of conditioning along those lines. Heck the only thing that felt 'off' about public school were the lockdown drills a couple times a year, and those have a valid purpose.

Your analysis completely smacks of unjustified paranoia, at least to me. I see no connection whatsoever between public education and the utter broken-ness of the mainstream media. Both are broken, but for different reasons, in different ways, in different degrees.

Re: News is bad for you – and giving up reading it will make you happier

#219

News is useful for exactly one reason: to have something to chat about. Don't underestimate that. You may have no interest in NK, Beckham, sports, the stock market or other stuff that frequents the news, but having something to talk about with people around you is important.

“Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people.” -Eleanor Roosevelt

Edit: I don't mean this to be rude. I am just trying to point out that discussion of news items usually IME is nothing more than idle gossip. While possibly beneficial in social bonding, it can also have potential negative effects on the mind.

Re: News is bad for you – and giving up reading it will make you happier

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post #187

With 7 billion people in the world, it's very likely that these things will happen today: - someone will get killed in a horrible car accident - a child will be killed in a freak accident - someone will die from cancer, leaving much grieving behind - someone will molest a child - someone will lose all their money in a scam - someone will get raped - someone will be killed by a never-to-be-found hit-and-run drunk driv…

What's the list for Hacker News?

Most of the things on HN are reasonably relevant to my life. The upvote/downvote system actually is better than editors picking and choosing.

But we have our emotional triggers. I think they are more about our collective fears of missing out on things, or anything that flatters or threatens our identity as smart people.

* New language/practice enabled me to do Y faster/easier

* New technology X will change the Y industry

* Trend X will make you obsolete

* Stupid startup X was bought/funded for $Y dollars

* You might not be as smart as you think you are!! ZOMG OH NO. (and here's the corrective action to take)

* Programmers are great because...

* Programmers are terrible because...

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