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Re: No Population Bomb

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Post by Spooky23 »

rdl wrote: post #26
sirmixalot wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget abortion and euthanasia. I'm breathing better already.

I was amazed to learn that the abortion rate per 1000 pregnancies in the US (in 2008 or 2010) was 138 (for white women) and 501 (for black women) (and somewhere in between for hispanic, native american, etc.) I intuitively thought it was like 10-20/1000. So I think abortion is doing pretty well for itself. Euthanasia really needs to step up its game, though.

That is tied to poverty, ignorance, likelihood of victimization, and cost. Birth control has not been readily available, but abortions are paid for by Medicaid and other programs.

When you don't have any money, $150 for a doctor visit and $30/mo for birth control is a lot of money.

Re: No Population Bomb

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Post by dsfasfasf »

Spooky23 wrote: post #49
fc2 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously that Al-Quaeda plan will fail as greater numbers does not translate into greater power anymore. Machines are replacing humans both in industry and the military so the group with the most capital is the one who will win the game.

The Al-Quaeda (or Mexican nationalist) plan is a long game that has a track record of success. In the US, formerly marginalized groups like Catholics (Irish/Italian/polish) and eastern european Jewish immigrant came to wield considerable power in the mid 20th century, owing largely to burgeoning numbers. The Catholics actively organized colleges, universities and fraternal organizations that brought young Catholics i…

>>Mexican Nationalist

Huh? Care to explain how did Mexico come into the picture when talking about Al-Qaeda?

Re: No Population Bomb

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Post by speeder »

Tuna-Fish wrote: post #46
speeder wrote: post #37

I like this subject. Both relating to too much, and too few people... First, regarding absolute human numbers, we do have too much, mostly because we are rapidly using up fossil resources (not only fuel, but also fertilizers), and some important ones already peaked (phosphorous for example). But I don't believe that making your population decline fixes things, it only create other problems, the solution for the probl…

> Now we are running out of phosphorous Phosphorus is the 11th most common element in the earth's crust. Let that sink in for a while. It running out makes about as much sense as the humanity running out of hydrogen. Deposits economically extractable at present market prices will run out within a few decades. This doesn't mean we run out of phosphorus, it just means that the market price will rise until other extract…

You are nit-picking my post.

Like I said, we are reached peak phosphorous as we mine it currently, and reaching peak energy as we currently use mostly fossil fuels.

And like I said, I believe we can use new technologies (like, solar power... or underwater phosphorous mining) to fix it.

Re: No Population Bomb

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Post by [deleted] »

Tuna-Fish wrote: post #46
speeder wrote: post #37

I like this subject. Both relating to too much, and too few people... First, regarding absolute human numbers, we do have too much, mostly because we are rapidly using up fossil resources (not only fuel, but also fertilizers), and some important ones already peaked (phosphorous for example). But I don't believe that making your population decline fixes things, it only create other problems, the solution for the probl…

> Now we are running out of phosphorous Phosphorus is the 11th most common element in the earth's crust. Let that sink in for a while. It running out makes about as much sense as the humanity running out of hydrogen. Deposits economically extractable at present market prices will run out within a few decades. This doesn't mean we run out of phosphorus, it just means that the market price will rise until other extract…

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Re: No Population Bomb

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Post by Spooky23 »

cpursley wrote: post #10

I wonder if the lower frequency in nation-state warfare is an effect of increasing education levels of females?

Powerful women are just as ruthless as powerful men.

Once the industrial era began, nation-state warfare turned into total war, and led to a consolidation of the nation states that mattered. The US Civil War was the first example of this.

You cannot have general warfare between major states, as they will inevitably assure the complete destruction of one or both. Eventually, the US, Russia or to a lesser extent China get involved, and the final escalation point is ICBM salvos.

Re: No Population Bomb

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Post by rdl »

jellicle wrote: post #50
rdl wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was amazed to learn that the abortion rate per 1000 pregnancies in the US (in 2008 or 2010) was 138 (for white women) and 501 (for black women) (and somewhere in between for hispanic, native american, etc.) I intuitively thought it was like 10-20/1000. So I think abortion is doing pretty well for itself. Euthanasia really needs to step up its game, though.

Your rates are too high by one order of magnitude. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6108a1.htm

Sadly I don't think so. You are looking at abortions per 1000 women; I am talking about abortions per 1000 pregnancies.

Re: No Population Bomb

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Post by gyardley »

dsfasfasf wrote: post #52
Spooky23 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Al-Quaeda (or Mexican nationalist) plan is a long game that has a track record of success. In the US, formerly marginalized groups like Catholics (Irish/Italian/polish) and eastern european Jewish immigrant came to wield considerable power in the mid 20th century, owing largely to burgeoning numbers. The Catholics actively organized colleges, universities and fraternal organizations that brought young Catholics i…

>>Mexican Nationalist Huh? Care to explain how did Mexico come into the picture when talking about Al-Qaeda?

The parent believes there's parallels between the demography-driven expansion of radical Islamism in certain countries (I'm guessing in Europe, although he didn't specify) and and the demography-driven expansion of Mexican nationalism in the American Southwest.

Re: No Population Bomb

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Post by Filligree »

kstenerud wrote: post #24
benihana wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Malthus said the same thing - that we wouldn't be able to produce enough food because of whatever reason. And yet we humans found some way to continue living and producing food just fine. We increased our food yield and continue to do so. We found creative solutions to our problems with our available resources and there isn't any reason to think that we'll sudden lose the capacity to do this because of peak oil or la…

Malthus said that our population would eventually outgrow our capacity to produce food. What I'm saying is that we've already outgrown our future ability to produce food, and are now in a race against time to stabilize our energy supply before the population bomb goes off. And unless we do come up with a novel source of cheap energy, it WILL go off.

Novel? What about nuclear fission?

Re: No Population Bomb

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Post by wololo »

salmonellaeater wrote: post #7

"If current economic development trends continue we should expect the average person's income in India and China (for example) to reach the same levels of the U.K., U.S.A., and Japan by 2048." This is within my expected lifetime, and my children will be at the peak of their careers during that time. It will be a different world. I'm reminded of Yancy Fry Sr.'s advice to Fry: "Someday, you may face adversities so prep…

Seems facile. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_income_trap, etc.
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