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Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by crux_ »

papsosouid wrote: post #343
crux_ wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The post I replied to was, in part, a (poorly worded) justification of the need for "men's rights advocates," and that is the part I chose to reply to. If you're angered by my disagreement, it's not because I'm being inflammatory. I have not engaged in the name-calling you have, nor have I tried to undermine your posts by pretending to be unable to understand them. I have simply stated my honest opinion. Perhaps you…

>The post I replied to was, in part, a (poorly worded) justification of the need for "men's rights advocates No, it was not. I said nothing about men's rights, you simply assume that I must be an MRA because I disagreed with something you perceive as feminist. Just like MRAs assume I am a feminist when I disagree with something they say. >If you're angered by my disagreement Why do you think I am angered? And you hav…

Don't be disingenuous. Your comment introduced a group opposed to MRA's existence, then argued that they were wrong in doing so.

As for the rest, I have no interest in labeling people into petty little tribal buckets. I don't care what you call yourself.

That said, the amount of effort you are expending trying to undermine my opinion by personal attacks and misdirection strongly suggests you find my beliefs threatening, but lack either the evidence or the intellectual capabilities to produce a counterargument.

Finally, of course you are angered. On what other basis can you label my comments "inflammatory"?

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by mnicole »

crux_ wrote: post #351
papsosouid wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The post I replied to was, in part, a (poorly worded) justification of the need for "men's rights advocates No, it was not. I said nothing about men's rights, you simply assume that I must be an MRA because I disagreed with something you perceive as feminist. Just like MRAs assume I am a feminist when I disagree with something they say. >If you're angered by my disagreement Why do you think I am angered? And you hav…

Don't be disingenuous. Your comment introduced a group opposed to MRA's existence, then argued that they were wrong in doing so. As for the rest, I have no interest in labeling people into petty little tribal buckets. I don't care what you call yourself. That said, the amount of effort you are expending trying to undermine my opinion by personal attacks and misdirection strongly suggests you find my beliefs threateni…

> the amount of effort you are expending trying to undermine my opinion by personal attacks and misdirection strongly suggests you find my beliefs threatening, but lack either the evidence or the intellectual capabilities to produce a counterargument.

Exactly why I couldn't continue responding to him. Everything he says is just some empty non-statement coupled with how I'm "wrong" or "not getting it" when there's nothing even there to get. Keep fighting the good fight.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

#353

Post by papsosouid »

crux_ wrote: post #351
papsosouid wrote: post #343

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The post I replied to was, in part, a (poorly worded) justification of the need for "men's rights advocates No, it was not. I said nothing about men's rights, you simply assume that I must be an MRA because I disagreed with something you perceive as feminist. Just like MRAs assume I am a feminist when I disagree with something they say. >If you're angered by my disagreement Why do you think I am angered? And you hav…

Don't be disingenuous. Your comment introduced a group opposed to MRA's existence, then argued that they were wrong in doing so. As for the rest, I have no interest in labeling people into petty little tribal buckets. I don't care what you call yourself. That said, the amount of effort you are expending trying to undermine my opinion by personal attacks and misdirection strongly suggests you find my beliefs threateni…

>Don't be disingenuous

The hypocrisy of that statement is overwhelming.

>Your comment introduced a group opposed to MRA's existence, then argued that they were wrong in doing so.

I did neither of those things, perhaps you should try reading it again.

>That said, the amount of effort you are expending trying to undermine my opinion

I have said absolutely nothing about your opinion in any of my posts, other than that it was entirely unrelated to anything I have said.

>Finally, of course you are angered. On what other basis can you label my comments "inflammatory"?

I possess basic literacy and adult level reading comprehension. If you said "gay rights is largely the same old prejudices, finding renewed strength under a thin mask of collective victimhood, desperately clung to" it would also be obviously intended to be inflammatory. Even if I am not gay, and even if your comment does not make me angry, I am still capable of grasping the obvious inflammatory nature of the statement.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

#354

Post by crux_ »

papsosouid wrote: post #353
crux_ wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't be disingenuous. Your comment introduced a group opposed to MRA's existence, then argued that they were wrong in doing so. As for the rest, I have no interest in labeling people into petty little tribal buckets. I don't care what you call yourself. That said, the amount of effort you are expending trying to undermine my opinion by personal attacks and misdirection strongly suggests you find my beliefs threateni…

>Don't be disingenuous The hypocrisy of that statement is overwhelming. >Your comment introduced a group opposed to MRA's existence, then argued that they were wrong in doing so. I did neither of those things, perhaps you should try reading it again. >That said, the amount of effort you are expending trying to undermine my opinion I have said absolutely nothing about your opinion in any of my posts, other than that i…

Are you a dunce, or just too cowardly to stand behind your own words?

Introduction of a group opposed to MRA: "the vocal, hateful group of internet 'feminists' constantly claim they are against sexism in all forms, and thus men's rights advocacy should not exist ..."

Your counter of said group's supposed reason for believing MRA to be superfluous: "But in reality, when obvious sexism like this happens, those same 'feminists' do not speak out against it."

> I have said absolutely nothing about your opinion

Exactly. Yet you are strenuously trying to dismiss it nonetheless -- but doing so by attacking the messenger and other weasel tactics, rather than by honest disagreement.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by wpietri »

visarga wrote: post #223
wpietri wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's quite as dramatic as you say. But personally I'm ok with it. Men have been getting the good end of sexual discrimination for centuries. Owning property. Voting. Higher education. Being allowed to practice a profession. Being favored by marriage laws. Being favored by social biases. Like Peter Parker and Voltaire say, "With great power comes great responsibility." Having received a substantial boost…

>Men have been getting the good end of sexual discrimination for centuries. Owning property. Voting. You are referring to rich men, that elusive 1%. Average men have traditionally gotten the worst/riskiest jobs such as soldier and physical labourer. While the top 1% do get these advantages, the bottom 99% are maybe worse off than women. Also, the "men had it good for centuries, it's women's turn now" doesn't hold. I…

I never said people should pay for past sins, and agree that would be wrong.

My point in bringing up the history is that the effects of the history aren't past. I have done unfairly well because I'm a guy. That should end.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by wpietri »

lucian1900 wrote: post #97
wpietri wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's quite as dramatic as you say. But personally I'm ok with it. Men have been getting the good end of sexual discrimination for centuries. Owning property. Voting. Higher education. Being allowed to practice a profession. Being favored by marriage laws. Being favored by social biases. Like Peter Parker and Voltaire say, "With great power comes great responsibility." Having received a substantial boost…

So? I didn't exist back then. Why should I suffer because someone else that happened to be the same gender as me was privileged?

When, exactly, is the date that you believe that male privilege ended?
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