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Re: PC sales plunge, Microsoft and Windows 8 blamed

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That'll be because of three reasons I think, only one of which is mentioned:

1) The last generation of computers that people already own (Intel i3/5/7 with Windows 7) is actually pretty damn good and covers most requirements perfectly well. In fact my 5 year old Core 2 Duo 2.0GHz ThinkPad T61 with a Samsung 840 Pro SSD is really fast to the point I have no plans to upgrade any time soon. I see people hanging on to these sorts of PCs now because they are the first generation to work pretty flawlessly, ever. People hang on to stuff that works and I don't blame them for doing that. Businesses do the same and to be honest, with some heel dragging, they're good until Windows 7 EOL in 2020.

2) Windows 8 is just horrible. I've tried it several times at different points of time on different machines ranging from laptop to desktop to touchscreen desktop and the usability has just completely gone out of the window. It doesn't work on a laptop and doesn't work on a desktop in any adequate way. It physically hurts you if you have to use it on a touch screen desktop either through mouse hoop jumping or aching arms. New device paradigms are being pushed but they all feel awkward and a bit Heath Robinson. I do think they got Windows Phone pretty spot on but that experience doesn't scale up to larger devices well.

3) Consumers used to drive a big chunk of sales, but this has been relatively scuppered by other vendor's consumption devices such as tablets and smart phones.

Re: PC sales plunge, Microsoft and Windows 8 blamed

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The main speed increases as of late have been in CPUs adding more cores, most apps people use don't take advantage of all the available threads. Here I have a top of the line i7 3770k, a Samsung 840 Pro SSD, 16GB of RAM and Firefox will freeze up maxing out on 11% CPU usage and 3.5GB of RAM. I do use some apps that take more advantage of my hardware but most of the time all that horse power does me zero good. Most co…

simply upgrading to SSD is a huge performance booster. if i were still in IT, I would migrate all PCs to SSD, and that's it.

Agree entirely. The recent purchase of a 128Gb Samsung 840 Pro was a game changer for me.

Re: PC sales plunge, Microsoft and Windows 8 blamed

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There was a time when I would have felt seriously behind the times using my 3.5 year old PC. Maybe I just have different priorities now, but I no longer feel any compulsion to upgrade. I'm not aware of anything that a new PC can do that my current one can't, besides an incremental, barely noticeable speed bump. On a related note, am I right in thinking that we are currently in the longest ever gap between new HD capa…

The main speed increases as of late have been in CPUs adding more cores, most apps people use don't take advantage of all the available threads. Here I have a top of the line i7 3770k, a Samsung 840 Pro SSD, 16GB of RAM and Firefox will freeze up maxing out on 11% CPU usage and 3.5GB of RAM. I do use some apps that take more advantage of my hardware but most of the time all that horse power does me zero good. Most co…

Firefox consuming 3.5GB...well, there's your problem, must be a memory leak in whatever version you have. Upgrade/downgrade or try Chrome as alternative until the FF issue is resolved.

Agreed re: most users not requiring a high end quad core CPU to browse the net, listen to music, use an email client, etc.

Those cores do come in handy with virtual machines, however. With hyper threading your quad core turns into 8 virtual cores, which can then be dedicated to, and shared amongst, VMs -- very handy as a Linux user needing to test various flavors of Windows without requiring separate physical machines.

SSDs everyone benefits from, novice or advanced user, a useful upgrade (short of storage space of course). RAM, better too much than too little, 8GB with Windows 8 is probably a safe baseline.

and Windows 8 intro screen is a bit baffling at first, a bit like Gnome 3's WTF do I do, is there something wrong intro screen.

Re: PC sales plunge, Microsoft and Windows 8 blamed

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post #3

There was a time when I would have felt seriously behind the times using my 3.5 year old PC. Maybe I just have different priorities now, but I no longer feel any compulsion to upgrade. I'm not aware of anything that a new PC can do that my current one can't, besides an incremental, barely noticeable speed bump. On a related note, am I right in thinking that we are currently in the longest ever gap between new HD capa…

Nowadays I only get new laptops when the current one dies, I no longer feel the rush to upgrade like in the 8086 - Pentium days.

My parents are still using my old desktop from 2001 (AMD K7) for their office + web stuff.

Re: PC sales plunge, Microsoft and Windows 8 blamed

#37

That'll be because of three reasons I think, only one of which is mentioned: 1) The last generation of computers that people already own (Intel i3/5/7 with Windows 7) is actually pretty damn good and covers most requirements perfectly well. In fact my 5 year old Core 2 Duo 2.0GHz ThinkPad T61 with a Samsung 840 Pro SSD is really fast to the point I have no plans to upgrade any time soon. I see people hanging on to th…

> I see people hanging on to these sorts of PCs now because they are the first generation to work pretty flawlessly, ever. People hang on to stuff that works and I don't blame them for doing that.

Actually I think this is a very good point. I've always seen people replacing their Windows machines just because they are 'slow' or 'not working' which could probably easily be solved just by reinstalling Windows. Windows 7 is a lot harder to break in this respect compared to previous versions, so I guess people just don't see the need.

Re: PC sales plunge, Microsoft and Windows 8 blamed

#38
I hate the demise of the menu bar. It's godawful I can count a full second at least, and usually much longer when paged out, just to bring up a stupid little dialog like "Save As...." in applications that used to have a menu bar. Outlook, Word, et al. What happened? It's hell. Microsoft was crazy to get rid of the menu bar. The elimination of the Start menu was just an even more insane doubling down on the same crap "logic". Total. Loss.

Re: PC sales plunge, Microsoft and Windows 8 blamed

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I just got a new desktop this month - faster CPU, more ram, SSD, etc - it really is a lot faster than my 3 year old one. So I don't think hardware improvements are an issue, computer speed is still increasing heavily, and dropping compile time and allowing more programs open at once is always great. However, since I built the PC myself, I could choose what OS to install, and I'm using Linux and Win7. If I was a more…

"So I don't think hardware improvements are an issue [...] dropping compile time and allowing more programs open at once"

for you. I doubt that "compiles much faster" or "allows more programs open at a time" would be marketing slogans that sell zillions of PCs. 'Normal' users run a web browser, maybe an email program, and Wordpad (I am not even sure that is an exaggeration, nowadays)

Also, about the SSD: in my limited experience, the only thing it really speeds up is boot time (shutdown of my iMac now takes ages, relatively speaking). Launching programs probably doubles in speed, too, but it already was fast enough for me. If you are compiling C/C++ or launching a VM zillions of times a day the difference will be huge, too, but [see above]

Re: PC sales plunge, Microsoft and Windows 8 blamed

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post #36
post #3

There was a time when I would have felt seriously behind the times using my 3.5 year old PC. Maybe I just have different priorities now, but I no longer feel any compulsion to upgrade. I'm not aware of anything that a new PC can do that my current one can't, besides an incremental, barely noticeable speed bump. On a related note, am I right in thinking that we are currently in the longest ever gap between new HD capa…

Nowadays I only get new laptops when the current one dies, I no longer feel the rush to upgrade like in the 8086 - Pentium days. My parents are still using my old desktop from 2001 (AMD K7) for their office + web stuff.

the only minor issue with that is that flash is a beast and, to watch higher def videos, you need a more powerful machine
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