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Backlift (YC W12) Launches A Back-End Service For Front-End Developers

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Re: Backlift (YC W12) Launches A Back-End Service For Front-End Developers

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Hi if you're having trouble creating projects, we apologize. We recently moved to a build process that pulls packages directly from Github, and unfortunately that code is acting up. We're working on it.

Based on the frequency of chat messages I'm receiving, I think the biggest problems have been solved. ;) Thanks for your patience everyone.

Re: Backlift (YC W12) Launches A Back-End Service For Front-End Developers

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Having been primarily a backend developer for most of my career, I generally view these services with suspicion. But the rate of new entries into this space makes me wonder if one day I'll be considered a luddite for thinking this way.

I have had the same reaction. I am not sure what customer pain these services are addressing. Even if it made prototyping and MVP developing vastly easier, what happens if the product starts to take off? The lock-in seems dramatic, but I could be off-base.

Backend as a Service is in the business of saving time and money.

Re: Backlift (YC W12) Launches A Back-End Service For Front-End Developers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have had the same reaction. I am not sure what customer pain these services are addressing. Even if it made prototyping and MVP developing vastly easier, what happens if the product starts to take off? The lock-in seems dramatic, but I could be off-base.

As a UX Designer and front-end guy a lot of the appeal is being able to build something functional without a lot of help. You are correct about the taking off part. If any of my ideas were to take off then I would need to swap out one of these services for an actual back-end.

Perhaps it is my own lack of experience with the services themselves, but I feel like if you are equipped to build out a complete front-end javascript application, you are probably equally qualified to bang out a little server-side API that will be suitable for you. Call me old fashioned, but I feel like this new cottage industry might just be a bridge too far...

Re: Backlift (YC W12) Launches A Back-End Service For Front-End Developers

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We have been using backlift as a teaching aid for an intro to programming class at the Nashville Software School. It has been a great way to allow the students to deploy code and test api's without the normal burdens of server setup or ssh/ftp.

Having the examples in the latest javascript frameworks has also been extremely helpful in allowing the students to dig further in.

Re: Backlift (YC W12) Launches A Back-End Service For Front-End Developers

#25
Congrats on launching! We've had to build a lot of this ourselves internally, and all the time were thinking if there's value in it for others. This is a very interesting space indeed and I do believe that it's the future. The real question is - are we too early?)

What you're really are providing is a set of APIs. Perhaps calling it "backend as a service" actually scares people off, as they don't realize that they can be using custom server logic as well, and calling it via CORS from backbone. This is just a bunch of APIs that anyone can use.

I think instead of having a backend, we'll move to an app using a set of APIs provided by other companies (firebase, sendgrid, backlift, etc) and custom APIs that may be necessary.

With javascript and CORS it's finally feasible to call remote functions directly from the cilent, eliminating the need to write boilerplate code for every app.

Re: Backlift (YC W12) Launches A Back-End Service For Front-End Developers

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Having been primarily a backend developer for most of my career, I generally view these services with suspicion. But the rate of new entries into this space makes me wonder if one day I'll be considered a luddite for thinking this way.

I have had the same reaction. I am not sure what customer pain these services are addressing. Even if it made prototyping and MVP developing vastly easier, what happens if the product starts to take off? The lock-in seems dramatic, but I could be off-base.

I've also been using Backlift at Nashville Software School. We have a class that is an introduction to front-end development and as an educational tool Backlift has been great. Allows us to focus on learning how to program and build browser-based code without forcing us to teach our students a lot of details about the server-side at the same time. Big win.

Does it replace learning all of that server stuff at some point, no, of course not, but it allows us to focus on fewer issues at any given point in the course.

To the lock-in point, I've not seen that in what our students have built. There's a bit of unique code but mostly they're using standard AJAX & JSON techniques.

My own perspective is that Backlift and tools like it have real value for not just training but also for prototyping applications, rapidly evolving MVPs, etc. If something clicks and you've got to scale, great - that's when you invest in the real back-end. But there are also a lot of simple, low volume applications and websites where a back-end as a service tool could well be all that someone needs.

Re: Backlift (YC W12) Launches A Back-End Service For Front-End Developers

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post #24

We have been using backlift as a teaching aid for an intro to programming class at the Nashville Software School. It has been a great way to allow the students to deploy code and test api's without the normal burdens of server setup or ssh/ftp. Having the examples in the latest javascript frameworks has also been extremely helpful in allowing the students to dig further in.

I echo what pbrumm said. As a student at Nashville Software School, I can attest that using Backlift was a lifesaver. It has allowed us to focus on our code instead of being bogged down with the server side. Before it came to our rescue we were spending enormous amounts of time just trying to figure out how to test our code, after we implemented it we were actually able to make progress and resume programming.

Re: Backlift (YC W12) Launches A Back-End Service For Front-End Developers

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Back lift is awesome! You can setup a json server in 3 minutes tops. I have several apps I run off back lift and it is amazing! The developer heard that a class that I'm in used it and he flew in to talk to us about the app and to get our feedback. He really cares about his users' experience while using his material. I can't recommend back lift enough.

Re: Backlift (YC W12) Launches A Back-End Service For Front-End Developers

#29
As someone who spent years as a front-end developer, and now am something more of a "full stack" developer (I like the title "Product Developer"), I would highly encourage people who consider themselves front-end to spend some time learning about things behind the scenes. You'll become an overall better developer for it.

Not to disparage this service, but I worry that it's just going to encourage a new generation of folks to never actually learn to actually develop software, and continue the less than great nature of much JS in the wild.

Re: Backlift (YC W12) Launches A Back-End Service For Front-End Developers

#30
I think BaaS is a great solution for mobile apps. But as a back-end solution for traditional web apps, not so much. Eventually their lunch is going to be eaten by frameworks like Meteor (http://meteor.com), or products like Deployd (http://deployd.com/).
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