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The underappreciated power of common courtesy

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Re: The underappreciated power of common courtesy

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I'll share two insights I've learned over time about courtesy. 1) Being courteous, over the long term, gives you power. There have been a number of initiatives I've been able to get done at work, that others could not, simply because colleagues give me a greater benefit of the doubt. They do so because I have always treated them very well, even when we disagree. 2) To be truly courteous, you must be very organized. I…

Do you have any recommendations for how to stay organized enough that you can keep track of these things?

Re: The underappreciated power of common courtesy

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From the very moment they could communicate, I worked hard to teach my children common courtesy. It was the best gift I could give them. They didn't go to fancy schools, they never took "enrichment" classes, but they know how to be nice to people and make friends. I think it paid off, because they are all doing pretty well. Courtesy makes you likable and smooths human relationships in everything you do. It gives you…

I grew up with a mother who heavily emphasized respect and courtesy. Thank you for doing the same with your children, it often feels like this world is very lacking nowadays.

Re: The underappreciated power of common courtesy

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The article makes a good point (it's much more nuanced and interesting than its title, on which I was prepared to make a judgment immediately; I'm glad I did not).

It's worth looking at in the context of the post it references, though [1]; several very useful and valid responses were made by people citing the practical issues with responding to every inquiry from every applicant.

Granted, I don't believe that applies to the author's anecdote, but they do both have a place in the same discussion.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5518881

Re: The underappreciated power of common courtesy

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I'll share two insights I've learned over time about courtesy. 1) Being courteous, over the long term, gives you power. There have been a number of initiatives I've been able to get done at work, that others could not, simply because colleagues give me a greater benefit of the doubt. They do so because I have always treated them very well, even when we disagree. 2) To be truly courteous, you must be very organized. I…

I'd add that you should always respond as quickly as possible. If when you receive something you immediately write a thank-you, for example, it always gets done. If you wait you can more easily lose track.

Re: The underappreciated power of common courtesy

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An acquaintance recently made a facebook update describing how they belittled and berated a coffee shop employee for making a (fairly bad, to be fair) mistake regarding change on a $20. I seriously considered leaving my office and going to the coffee shop to apologize for this person's behavior, and I personally am finished with this individual in both a social and professional context. There is pretty much nothing I…

An important aspect here is the fact that the coffee shop employee is powerless in this situation - they could lose their job if they reply with equal rudeness. How we interact with those who have less power in a situation is very revealing of our character. I can't stand it when a person is only polite to people who have some kind of leverage over them.

Re: The underappreciated power of common courtesy

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My common courtesy wake-up call: MIT mechanical engineering students often had to go through the course "secretary" to see their faculty advisers of high-level MechE professors. At the time, the course secretary was a middle-aged women with a desk outside of the MechE administrative offices. When you walked into the office, you spoke with her and she would send you to the appropriate faculty office.

Whenever any of my (mostly male) coursemates talked about visiting the office, they always referred to her as "bitch," "cunt," "hag" etc. I never understood this - she had never been anything but nice and respectful to me. After one interaction I witnessed between the secretary and another student, I finally began to understand. Those other students really saw her as just a "secretary" who had no business running interference between students that were clearly her betters. I on the otherhand never went out of my way to ingratiate myself to her, but I did treat her as a human worthy of the same respect as any other faculty member, and I guess she noticed.

One year, I signed up for more classes than I intended to take with the intention of auditing the classes, deciding what I wanted to take and then dropping the excess classes before the drop date. I decided pretty quickly to drop one of the classes, and therefore didn't attend any of the lectures or do any of the coursework, but I procrastinated in getting the signature of my adviser to drop the class.

Eventually the drop date loomed, and I realized I had only a couple of days to get that signature. I walked into the MechE office, exchanged pleasantries with the secretary and asked to see my adviser. "Oh I'm sorry," she replied "he's out of the country for the next two weeks." She saw from my reaction that something was wrong, and I explained that if I didn't get my adviser's signature on the drop form ASAP, I'd fail the class. She smiled and told me that in situations like that she actually had discretionary power to sign forms on behalf of absent professors. She asked for the form, signed it (in her name) and gave it back to me. I was all set. A year after that, I handed in my thesis and forgot to sign a form. She called me and waited after hours for me to run down to the office to sign the form so I could graduate on time. All because I treated her like a human being.

I later told some of my coursemates about that, and they had absolutely no idea she had that kind of power. I like to think that maybe they started treating her a little better after learning what a little courtesy can accomplish. But I certainly learned that "little people" can hold great power that can be wielded in your favor if you just treat them like you want to be treated.

Re: The underappreciated power of common courtesy

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From the very moment they could communicate, I worked hard to teach my children common courtesy. It was the best gift I could give them. They didn't go to fancy schools, they never took "enrichment" classes, but they know how to be nice to people and make friends. I think it paid off, because they are all doing pretty well. Courtesy makes you likable and smooths human relationships in everything you do. It gives you…

I wish I could agree with you whole-heartedly but I cannot.

I place a high value on treating others with respect, helping without expecting anything in return, etc. For some things, yes, I see clear evidence of "good karma" coming back to me. For other things, I feel like my life is a case of "no good deed goes unpunished." I am pretty angry and bitter about it. I feel like I must be doing something wrong somewhere, like I am stupidly casting pearls before swine or something.

I can't figure out why I keep getting used and walked on. I can't figure out how to get taken seriously and turn all this supposed good karma to financial benefit in a business way. I strongly suspect part of it is that I am female and a lot of people seem to see me as motherly and seem to think "motherly" means I should cut my own throat for their benefit.

At this point, articles of this sort just kind of piss me off. If going around being nice and helpful really paid, I should be a rich woman by now. But somehow that just does not happen for me. I wonder if women need some opposite message, if this message benefits those who already know all about extracting value from others.

I don't know the answer. I just know that reading stuff like this feels like salt in very raw wounds for me.

Re: The underappreciated power of common courtesy

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I do not believe that common courtesy should have anything to do with properly positioning oneself, scoring points, earning a good reputation, or anything else remotely associated with a "zero-sum game".

We should be courteous for one reason only: because it's the right thing to do.

The older I get, the more I realize how unimportant most details are and how critical some of the big issues are. I don't think anyone said it better that Hillel: "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn."

Re: The underappreciated power of common courtesy

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post #17

From the very moment they could communicate, I worked hard to teach my children common courtesy. It was the best gift I could give them. They didn't go to fancy schools, they never took "enrichment" classes, but they know how to be nice to people and make friends. I think it paid off, because they are all doing pretty well. Courtesy makes you likable and smooths human relationships in everything you do. It gives you…

I wish I could agree with you whole-heartedly but I cannot. I place a high value on treating others with respect, helping without expecting anything in return, etc. For some things, yes, I see clear evidence of "good karma" coming back to me. For other things, I feel like my life is a case of "no good deed goes unpunished." I am pretty angry and bitter about it. I feel like I must be doing something wrong somewhere,…

Being successful and being nice shouldn't be the same effort -- they are two efforts, unrelated, that sometimes incidentally intertwine, hopefully for the better.

You should be courteous and respectful of human beings -- if you feel that this very concept is somehow detracting from your life in a meaningful way, I suspect that you're misattributing your lack of success. But it's hard to speak on it without any real specific examples.

Re: The underappreciated power of common courtesy

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post #18

I do not believe that common courtesy should have anything to do with properly positioning oneself, scoring points, earning a good reputation, or anything else remotely associated with a "zero-sum game". We should be courteous for one reason only: because it's the right thing to do. The older I get, the more I realize how unimportant most details are and how critical some of the big issues are. I don't think anyone s…

another quote i find really thought-provoking, and pretty relevant to the current startup culture:

When I was young, I admired clever people. Now that I am old, I admire kind people. - Abraham Joshua Heschel

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