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Bitcoin down 60% to $100

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Re: Bitcoin down 60% to $100

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Where do you get those valuations? Every site I know of is down.

From intermittent access to the live version of bitstamp, sorry but I don't have any screenshot nor high res graph of this exchange. And bitcoinity has lot of lag.

Quite a few of the transactions on bitcoinity are actually cached mtgox pages pulled from cloudflare, which accounts for the fake $180 fluctuations.

Re: Bitcoin down 60% to $100

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Unless you actually wanted to transact business using Bitcoin as a unit of account. Worth observing that the opposite swing, where BTC shoots up $50 in ten minutes or whatever, is just as harmful.

Most people who aren't risk-tolerant toward things like this are using services that instantly (or daily) convert to USD or EUR to minimize losses due to exchange rate flux. It's really only a big deal for speculators, or people who are trying to run a btc-in-from-customers, btc-out-to-vendors business. SR is probably pretty interesting today.

How do you instantly convert USD and BTC when the prices are this volatile? Bitpay quotes BTC prices good for 10 minutes.

Re: Bitcoin down 60% to $100

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Because it offers the opportunity to trade without the shadow market of banks and financial regulators which get pennys of every damn good you buy without doing something important. the only problem is exchanging bitcoins which is the root of all evil for a non-backed per-trade-valued currency.

I can go right to my online bank and have them send a payment to anyone in the country, at zero charge.

The charge is hidden. The US dollar, and every other national-bank-backed currency, is debt-based. For every dollar that's put into the economy by the national bank, a bit more than a dollar is owed to the bank. That makes it impossible to pay back the debt without inflating the currency, which reduces the value of the dollar (what it can buy) to less than the original dollar+debt amount.

That's the short version of the explanation I've read about the "evils" of central banks and debt-based currencies. I'm no expert, so I can't really judge the accuracy of this explanation or whether or not it's evil.

Re: Bitcoin down 60% to $100

#74
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Bitcoin "down" to $100. They were $10 in January. They'll be over $50 at the end of this month. When I was mining 18 months ago, they were about a quarter. Smooth the line and bitcoins are doing exactly what you'd expect from a linear-demand-growth emerging commodity market with a fixed rate of supply. Everything is going exactly according to plan. Note well that the exact same thing (a big speculative run-up and fol…

Smooth the line and bitcoins are doing exactly what you'd expect from a linear-demand-growth emerging commodity market with a fixed rate of supply.

And to be clear - what is it that you expect? A long-term per-unit appreciation in "value"?

Re: Bitcoin down 60% to $100

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and just wait for the SEC to reverse their recent no action decision when the people on the losing end start crying foul.

and that's when, with regulation and control, decentralisation and anonimity vanishes

...in your country, maybe. Bitcoin runs on IP and FinCEN isn't everywhere.

Re: Bitcoin down 60% to $100

#77
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What are the best sources for viewing a chart of intra-day price movements?

https://data.mtgox.com/api/0/png/24hours.png?Currency=EUR / https://data.mtgox.com/api/0/png/24hours.png?Currency=USD edit as per comment, thanks!

Note well that the BTC/EUR and BTC/USD markets on MtGox are _different markets_. The (liquid) one that you care about is the BTC/USD market. The EUR-traded one is much smaller.

Re: Bitcoin down 60% to $100

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Market is all over the place - I logged in with chrome, hit "Sell at current Bid Price" - (which was $135) - but the interface wouldn't accept a click on the "Sell Button" Thought it might be my browser, so I tried logging in with Firefox, hit "Sell at Bid Price" - Which, about 30 seconds after my first attempt with chrome was now $175. Something is going to crash spectacularly when you get a $40 swing on something l…

This looks so intentional. Deploy a JS that breaks right when there is panic.

Re: Bitcoin down 60% to $100

#79

Not that I'd wish monetary loss on anyone, but if the first Bitcoin crash is any indication, these things tend to have a positive side-benefit of driving out most of the speculators flooding in after all the news reports that fuel these cycles, and the people actually interested in the currency itself stay behind, with an influx of new folk. After all the noise dies down, new businesses and services get built backed…

I completely agree that this has been the pattern so far. These are great stress-tests for everyone developing software around bitcoin if you ask me.

Re: Bitcoin down 60% to $100

#80
Can someone tell me how to put a filter on my Hacker News account to remove the multiple-times-a-day articles about Bitcoin? Bitcoin is the opposite of a useful thing for my business, where I need actual revenue in dollars so I can turn around and pay my expenses in dollars.
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