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Bitcoin falls from $266

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Re: Bitcoin falls from $266

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Can someone explain me why this could happen? Large amounts of BTCs moving at the same time? What are your theories?

I guess most people were buying BTC because its value was rising really fast. Any price drop could cause them to lose their faith in it and want to sell them. And the drop (or at least growth end) was inevitable, because the price was rising faster than exponentially.

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Before crying wolf, understand that bitcoin exchanges are unfortunately not battle hardened internet businesses. Two of the largest exchanges MtGox and bitstamp are both under DDOS. This may be an attempt by someone to make a large buy at a cheaper price. Due to lack of trading, prices are going downward. However, BTC China is still trading at above $275! That's the beauty of bitcoin, it isn't restricted to just one…

Is it possible to buy from MtGox at $200 and sell in BTC China shortly thereafter at $275? I know nothing about BTC.

Yup, the arbitrage opportunities are real. Just yesterday the Canadian exchange (cavirtex) was trading $40CAD/BTC higher than MtGox (CAD); if you had an account with both, and free money to spare, you could take a handsome profit (minus fees, usually around 3% each, so 6% roundtrip)

Re: Bitcoin falls from $266

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post #40
post #13

Before crying wolf, understand that bitcoin exchanges are unfortunately not battle hardened internet businesses. Two of the largest exchanges MtGox and bitstamp are both under DDOS. This may be an attempt by someone to make a large buy at a cheaper price. Due to lack of trading, prices are going downward. However, BTC China is still trading at above $275! That's the beauty of bitcoin, it isn't restricted to just one…

It's not just MtGox and bitstamp. Pretty much every other exchange, as well as bitcointalk.org and trackers like bitcoinity are under attack simultaneously. It's a pretty obvious attempt at manipulating the market by causing widespread panic, so that the attackers can buy in at a conveniently low price the moment the attack is halted.

How can you confirm this?

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post #40
post #13

Before crying wolf, understand that bitcoin exchanges are unfortunately not battle hardened internet businesses. Two of the largest exchanges MtGox and bitstamp are both under DDOS. This may be an attempt by someone to make a large buy at a cheaper price. Due to lack of trading, prices are going downward. However, BTC China is still trading at above $275! That's the beauty of bitcoin, it isn't restricted to just one…

It's not just MtGox and bitstamp. Pretty much every other exchange, as well as bitcointalk.org and trackers like bitcoinity are under attack simultaneously. It's a pretty obvious attempt at manipulating the market by causing widespread panic, so that the attackers can buy in at a conveniently low price the moment the attack is halted.

A genuine crash in which everyone was trying to sell at once might look like a DDoS. How do you know this is not that? (No opinion, just curious.)

Re: Bitcoin falls from $266

#67
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That isn't an intrinsic value. Waste heat does not have an intrinsic value equivalent to the cost of producing it- it is waste heat. Intrinsic value is derived from what you can do with something, not what you did to get it.

> Intrinsic value is derived from what you can do with something So then, the market price of any good is its intrinsic value? Under this definition, if I can sell a bitcoin for x USD, then its intrinsic value is x USD.

Intrinsic value and market price are slightly different. I imagine the difference brings us back to the fact that bitcoin is unbacked by any government. There is a worst case scenario that bitcoins are worthless. Government backed currencies despite not being tied to the standard of a physical good have a sovereign entity responsible for their value thus they are as valuable as your trust in that sovereign.

Re: Bitcoin falls from $266

#68

Get ready for the massive pop sound...

I'm going to believe that will happen soon. However, right now, it seems to me that Bitcoin is really just going "SHIFT". We have countries like Cyprus yanking money out of banks, so you get some people shifting their money out of country. So, what does it matter what a bitcoin costs if you are going to launder some cash out? 1:1 is a fabulous laundering rate. Buy 200 Euro worth of Bitcoin from an account in Cyprus -…

How is someone in Cyprus going to buy bitcoins? If the exchange is out of the country, then it doesn't help, because you already have to move the money out of the country to get it to the exchange. If the exchange is within the country, then the rate offered is likely to be far less favorable than elsewhere in the world, because demand is higher.

Re: Bitcoin falls from $266

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I'm interested in the price of Bitcoin, but we don't need these daily submissions. If you're interested in following the price, I suggest these links: - https://bitcoinity.org/markets - http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD - http://bitcoin.clarkmoody.com/ If you're interested in talking about the price, try #bitcoin-pricetalk on Freenode.

I like this prettier and easier to read interface: http://realtimebitcoin.info/

I've been watching it drop from $200 to $157 over the last hour or so.

Re: Bitcoin falls from $266

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post #60
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I'm interested in the price of Bitcoin, but we don't need these daily submissions. If you're interested in following the price, I suggest these links: - https://bitcoinity.org/markets - http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgoxUSD - http://bitcoin.clarkmoody.com/ If you're interested in talking about the price, try #bitcoin-pricetalk on Freenode.

It's interesting how quickly its fallen even since this article was posted. It looks like it's around 150 now.

..and 5 minutes later, its back up to $190 USD/BTC.
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