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Ask PG, HN: Is someone tampering with article positions?

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Re: Ask PG, HN: Is someone tampering with article positions?

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Advanced users can flag articles. Flagged articles sink. Controversial topics are more likely to get flagged.

I had no idea that flagging was essentially a down-vote. Thanks.

It's worth noting that if you actually use it that way on any kind of a regular basis you'll very quickly have the ability to flag articles removed (I did, and it took less than a month and no more than a couple dozen flags)

Re: Ask PG, HN: Is someone tampering with article positions?

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I believe someone is tampering with the position of links submitted. I say so because last week or so, I submitted our startup to HN which was on the first page for most of the day and receiving some positive comments/feedback. At some point in the day, we were no where to be found (unless I utilized the search functionality), only to appear again on the first page after a while. Later on in the evening, it dissapeared again.

Re: Ask PG, HN: Is someone tampering with article positions?

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There are a few ways that an article can appear lower than it should. 1) Flagging by people with karma over the threshold (currently set at 500). 2) For some domains, only 1/3rd of the upvotes count, e.g. Reddit, XKCD, images, tweets. 3) There is a "controversial" score which can bring down a story. Not sure how it is computed but perhaps it's based on number of comments versus number of points. 4) Voting ring detect…

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Re: Ask PG, HN: Is someone tampering with article positions?

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There are a few ways that an article can appear lower than it should. 1) Flagging by people with karma over the threshold (currently set at 500). 2) For some domains, only 1/3rd of the upvotes count, e.g. Reddit, XKCD, images, tweets. 3) There is a "controversial" score which can bring down a story. Not sure how it is computed but perhaps it's based on number of comments versus number of points. 4) Voting ring detect…

5 is a big part too, a moderator flag appears to instantly drop a post about 60 ranks (from first to third page). I think when you see it only get to the second page that's user flagging.

That's interesting. Can we have background information for these "moderators" that are given these god like abilities? We need to know who's deciding what we should be reading or not.

Re: Ask PG, HN: Is someone tampering with article positions?

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post #10
post #9

There are a few ways that an article can appear lower than it should. 1) Flagging by people with karma over the threshold (currently set at 500). 2) For some domains, only 1/3rd of the upvotes count, e.g. Reddit, XKCD, images, tweets. 3) There is a "controversial" score which can bring down a story. Not sure how it is computed but perhaps it's based on number of comments versus number of points. 4) Voting ring detect…

5 is a big part too, a moderator flag appears to instantly drop a post about 60 ranks (from first to third page). I think when you see it only get to the second page that's user flagging.

The HN Rankings graph does show a slower decline, so my best guess is that it was flagging.

http://hnrankings.info/5523672/

Re: Ask PG, HN: Is someone tampering with article positions?

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had no idea that flagging was essentially a down-vote. Thanks.

It's worth noting that if you actually use it that way on any kind of a regular basis you'll very quickly have the ability to flag articles removed (I did, and it took less than a month and no more than a couple dozen flags)

There must be a bit more to it than that; I flag pretty aggressively (though admittedly only articles that I think are inappropriate rather than simply bad) and the link is still there.

Re: Ask PG, HN: Is someone tampering with article positions?

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5 is a big part too, a moderator flag appears to instantly drop a post about 60 ranks (from first to third page). I think when you see it only get to the second page that's user flagging.

The HN Rankings graph does show a slower decline, so my best guess is that it was flagging. http://hnrankings.info/5523672/

Awesome tool! I had the impression it was less than that, but our mind can play these tricks. It seems a bit steep though, I'll compare it with other stories and see if I can find a correlation.

Re: Ask PG, HN: Is someone tampering with article positions?

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post #16
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth noting that if you actually use it that way on any kind of a regular basis you'll very quickly have the ability to flag articles removed (I did, and it took less than a month and no more than a couple dozen flags)

There must be a bit more to it than that; I flag pretty aggressively (though admittedly only articles that I think are inappropriate rather than simply bad ) and the link is still there.

I think there's some flagging-ring detection, I heavily flagged a group of spam accounts over and over again until I lost the ability which might look suspicious without examining the targeted accounts.

It never comes back either.

Re: Ask PG, HN: Is someone tampering with article positions?

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post #14
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5 is a big part too, a moderator flag appears to instantly drop a post about 60 ranks (from first to third page). I think when you see it only get to the second page that's user flagging.

That's interesting. Can we have background information for these "moderators" that are given these god like abilities? We need to know who's deciding what we should be reading or not.

pretty sure it's anyone thats a yc alum

Re: Ask PG, HN: Is someone tampering with article positions?

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had no idea that flagging was essentially a down-vote. Thanks.

It's worth noting that if you actually use it that way on any kind of a regular basis you'll very quickly have the ability to flag articles removed (I did, and it took less than a month and no more than a couple dozen flags)

I flagged all the submissions by an obvious spam-bot once, and had my IP banned from accessing HN for a couple of hours, IIRC.
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