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Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by brazzy »

trin_ wrote: post #19

Besides the sexist nature of the app (imagine the outcry if it would be an app to rate girls... "sexist startup guys treating women like netflix movies") what the hell is their business model? they collected 2.5 million for a free app, without a business model and a VERY questionable legal standing (if not in the us almost anywhere else in the world)

Business model? Is that the thing where you have "revenues" and "profits" that only scare away potential acquirers by being measurable?

I don't see why anyone would want such a "business model".

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by GhotiFish »

shanelja wrote: post #34
wpietri wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it's quite as dramatic as you say. But personally I'm ok with it. Men have been getting the good end of sexual discrimination for centuries. Owning property. Voting. Higher education. Being allowed to practice a profession. Being favored by marriage laws. Being favored by social biases. Like Peter Parker and Voltaire say, "With great power comes great responsibility." Having received a substantial boost…

We must have grown up in drastically different times then - I'm barely 20 and for the majority of my life I have been taught that boys are smelly and girls are sweet, boys do the dirty jobs and that men are dangerous and shouldn't be left alone with women. Sure, men have had the upper hand for centuries but we live in an age where the scales have tipped - we need to be careful that instead of having a substantial boo…

As a man, at least here in north America. You're expected to have a thick skin, to not care if someone has a better lot, and to more or less take what you want (so long as it's not immoral to do so). There are quiet a few men who don't fit this bill, but I have to ask: What's so bad about these expectations?

If these expectations remain, what possible social change could occur that would put our "brutish" gender in the crapper? As long as that cultural push exists to be stoic, strong, tough, and to go for what they want, then our male culture is ingrained to be immune to a social upheaval. It's a good way to live if you ask me.

My recommendation is to not care.

I do not care.

I hope the girls have fun on LuLu.

Now if the girls want to change their cultural expectations to make their lives better? Sounds great! I don't care.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by darxius »

I'm amazed at the kinds of apps which exist and get exposure. This is stuff which might have been fun in high school, but there are actual adults using this.

Not to mention the insane double standard. I'd love to see a man make a similar app for rating women this way. I'm sure there would be news reports and tons of angry feminists flooding the airwaves.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by nateabele »

StavrosK wrote: post #46
peterkelly wrote: post #35

I used to be unhappy about this app until I found an SQL injection vulnerability that allowed me to log in and access the accounts of my previous dates by only needing to know their email addresses. This meant I was able to manipulate the ratings and comments people had made about me. Now I like the app :) Thanks Lulu!

As the former CTO of that company, I really doubt this. When I was there, the app was built on Django, and I left some pretty competent people behind, so I'm quite sure they wouldn't have made a mistake so rudimentary. However, I don't know what happened after I left, so there might have been some dubious decisions.

Ah, so apparently guys are still good enough to hire. Interesting. Care to share your experiences on what it was like to work there?

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by Kliment »

pathy wrote: post #42

How on earth could this app get funding? If it were a male->female app there would have been an outrage about it. Moral issues aside, I can see a lot of libel lawsuits (at least in the UK) springing up because of this app. There are enough rumours in the world as it is, we do not need apps that profit from people rating the opposite sex and spreading rumours about them.

outrage = interets = traction = eyeballs, basically

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by obviouslygreen »

wpietri wrote: post #27
shanelja wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem in this case is that in the same way women are most often the recipients of sexual discrimination, men are most often the recipient of being decried as sexual discriminators. It's so easy to look down on someone identifying as male as being discriminant but when the opposite is true, the male point of view is often ignored. Simply put, we are expected to man up, whereas women are expected to stand up.

I don't think it's quite as dramatic as you say. But personally I'm ok with it. Men have been getting the good end of sexual discrimination for centuries. Owning property. Voting. Higher education. Being allowed to practice a profession. Being favored by marriage laws. Being favored by social biases. Like Peter Parker and Voltaire say, "With great power comes great responsibility." Having received a substantial boost…

Men as a sex have had advantageous circumstances and treatment for a long time, yes. That has absolutely nothing to do with men who are alive today.

Perhaps you're a male who's OK with being the subject of discriminatory treatment over centuries of gain you didn't get to live through. I'm not, and I don't think anyone should be. Unless two wrongs make a right, discriminating against people who have not been a party to the kind of discrimination you're talking about helps no one, it just alienates those who see our position clearly.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by Steuard »

neya wrote: post #69

Where are all the feminists now? This is the perfect example of double-standards implied by women. Imagine an alternative scenario where men could rate their female counterparts on the basis of their 'assets' as defined by some vague methodology. Imagine how much fire under men would be, with ALL men being broadly labelled as sexists because this app was targeted at men. I am seriously asking - Where are all the femi…

Right here. Pissed off that this app exists. But recognizing that it's a lower priority than a heck of a lot of other things in our society. (I've got a top level post going into this in more detail.) Opposing this type of service looks to me like a classic part of feminism, no question.

If you have specific evidence that "the feminists" do not oppose this sort of thing, now would be a great time to share.

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by loceng »

Irregardless wrote: post #65

Who cares? Would you want to date a girl who uses a gossip app anyway? No. Hell no. If this helps steer the superficial airheads in another direction, I'd only have one thing to say to Chong: "Thanks!" Saves us the trouble of finding out the hard way, at least.

What about a girl who is acquaintances with a gossip girl who uses the app and searches for guy's they're dating, and lets them know about whatever is mentioned on there?

Re: Lulu: An App No One Should Accept

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Post by yarrel »

neya wrote: post #69

Where are all the feminists now? This is the perfect example of double-standards implied by women. Imagine an alternative scenario where men could rate their female counterparts on the basis of their 'assets' as defined by some vague methodology. Imagine how much fire under men would be, with ALL men being broadly labelled as sexists because this app was targeted at men. I am seriously asking - Where are all the femi…

The effects of male and female versions of this application would not be the same. Different subjects, in various senses of the word.

And you don't have to imagine that alternative scenario. It's how men generally treat women.

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