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Re: Setting up Sublime Text 2

#91

Post by pistacchioso »

vec wrote: post #46
recursive wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It shouldn't be that surprising. I tried vim for a while, but I prefer sublime text. It's true that vim is more powerful, but for me that power seems to mostly theoretical. It doesn't seem to make me significantly faster in the real world. On the other hand, the basic text navigation keys in sublime text are the same as they are elsewhere in my os, so I don't have to switch in and out of "text editing mode" frequentl…

A bit off topic, but the big win with Vim (and, from what I hear, emacs) isn't the speed per se; it's the lack of cognitive load. "I need to replace everything after the equals sign", for example, takes less concentration than "I need to move my cursor to the beginning of the word after the equals sign, hold shift, move it to the end of the line, and then hit backspace". Once I got past the terrible learning curve, b…

I think vi speed is much more theoretical than practical. v5j to select the 5 lines below? Sure, I can't think of a faster mode. BUT in reality

1. you have to check if you're in insert mode or not. Or you think you are, you're not, write vf5, press esc, press u to undo, retype vf5. Or you don't know and you press esc before it, so it's actually esc+v5j, and esc is not the easiest reachable key

2. you have to know you want to go down 5 lines. In reality, you know you want to go "a bit" down, so in a real world situation you either count (slow), make a subtraction with line numbers (slow) try to guess a number of lines, check what you've reached, keep retyping. This is all but "cognitive free". What is cognitive free (although requires more keystroke) is just press shift+down+down+down+down+down, for me.

Re: Setting up Sublime Text 2

#92

Post by munimkazia »

andrethegiant wrote: post #33

One setting I find invaluable is to use Paste and Indent for ⌘V instead of the standard Paste. This adjusts your indentation to automatically match the context it's pasted in. To do this, put the following in your Key Bindings - User file: [ { "keys": ["super+v"], "command": "paste_and_indent" }, { "keys": ["super+shift+v"], "command": "paste" } ]

You're my hero of the day.

Re: Setting up Sublime Text 2

#94

Post by snotrockets »

swah wrote: post #74
snotrockets wrote: post #28

I tried to like Sublime, I really did. Bought a license and used it for four months, before going back to Emacs. Sublime is nice, and easy to extend, but it only extends so far, while Emacs is infinitely extensible. You can practically live in Emacs[1]; some things I wanted to do in Emacs were hard to pull off, but I'm yet to find something it can't do. And it does so for years. Fashionable editors come and go, but E…

I love Emasc but it can't even do proper full screen. I really wish ST3 has more APIs in the Emacs spirit, but keeping it modern.

  (defun full-screen ()
    "Indicate to the window manager that this frame should be full screen"
    (interactive)
    (x-send-client-message nil 0 nil "_NET_WM_STATE" 32 '(2 "_NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN" 0)))

Re: Setting up Sublime Text 2

#95

Post by kansface »

vec wrote: post #46
recursive wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It shouldn't be that surprising. I tried vim for a while, but I prefer sublime text. It's true that vim is more powerful, but for me that power seems to mostly theoretical. It doesn't seem to make me significantly faster in the real world. On the other hand, the basic text navigation keys in sublime text are the same as they are elsewhere in my os, so I don't have to switch in and out of "text editing mode" frequentl…

A bit off topic, but the big win with Vim (and, from what I hear, emacs) isn't the speed per se; it's the lack of cognitive load. "I need to replace everything after the equals sign", for example, takes less concentration than "I need to move my cursor to the beginning of the word after the equals sign, hold shift, move it to the end of the line, and then hit backspace". Once I got past the terrible learning curve, b…

Minus of course the 3 months of concerted efforts and years thereafter learning the intricacies of vim/emacs to make such edits automatic.

Vim and Emacs are both such strange editors- I'd be quite happy if some other open source editor replaced them both as the default editor (that made better decisions in terms of plugins and abstruse key sequences).

Re: Setting up Sublime Text 2

#96

Post by snotrockets »

angrycoder wrote: post #41
snotrockets wrote: post #28

I tried to like Sublime, I really did. Bought a license and used it for four months, before going back to Emacs. Sublime is nice, and easy to extend, but it only extends so far, while Emacs is infinitely extensible. You can practically live in Emacs[1]; some things I wanted to do in Emacs were hard to pull off, but I'm yet to find something it can't do. And it does so for years. Fashionable editors come and go, but E…

> [1] I'm not the one to start wars. vi might be just as good, but I'm not going to learn it this side of the river Styx Of course you aren't, as long as it is one of the two editors you approve of.

I approve of anything that saves spaces and not tabs.

I'm just not going to use it, and keep wondering why one diverts so much efforts to editors that aren't the One True Editor.

Re: Setting up Sublime Text 2

#97

Post by Uchikoma »

dnos wrote: post #87
mtp0101 wrote: post #29

I find it odd that Sublime is so widely loved. It seems like a way-station between Notepad and Vim/Emacs. The extensions are nice, and the GUI is easy on the eyes, but it seems that most of my peers outgrew their Sublime Text/Notepad++/Textmate stage by the time they completed their first year of undergrad. I would hate to be stuck in the slow world of Sublime Text limbo as a result of being too lazy to learn and cus…

You find it odd that Sublime Text is so widely loved? Seriously? It combines the greatness of some of the best editors out there into a single one that is approachable and sexy and you can't see how it appeals to the masses? Let's list out some of my favorite features of Sublime Text (please keep in mind I switched FROM vim to Sublime): 1.) VIntage mode that allows for 99% of day-to-day vim stuff 2.) A plugin system…

How is the buy-the-beta-then-there-is-a-new-version-immediately-you-need-to-pay-for-again reasonable licensing?

Re: Setting up Sublime Text 2

#98

Post by _pius »

pistacchioso wrote: post #91
vec wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bit off topic, but the big win with Vim (and, from what I hear, emacs) isn't the speed per se; it's the lack of cognitive load. "I need to replace everything after the equals sign", for example, takes less concentration than "I need to move my cursor to the beginning of the word after the equals sign, hold shift, move it to the end of the line, and then hit backspace". Once I got past the terrible learning curve, b…

I think vi speed is much more theoretical than practical. v5j to select the 5 lines below? Sure, I can't think of a faster mode. BUT in reality 1. you have to check if you're in insert mode or not. Or you think you are, you're not, write vf5, press esc, press u to undo, retype vf5. Or you don't know and you press esc before it, so it's actually esc+v5j, and esc is not the easiest reachable key 2. you have to know you…

I see your perspective, but I disagree that vi speed is mostly theoretical.

1. you have to check if you're in insert mode or not.

You should always be in normal mode unless you're actively inserting, so this shouldn't be something you really have to think about.

2. you have to know you want to go down 5 lines....

Since your example assumes that line numbers are visible, you could just type vnG, where n is the line number you're trying to put the cursor before. No subtraction needed. Depending of the shape of the text, there are probably other intuitive approaches as well.

Does the "tao" of vi take time to internalize? Sure. But once you've done that, you can be blazing fast.

Re: Setting up Sublime Text 2

#99

Post by gnuvince »

swah wrote: post #74
snotrockets wrote: post #28

I tried to like Sublime, I really did. Bought a license and used it for four months, before going back to Emacs. Sublime is nice, and easy to extend, but it only extends so far, while Emacs is infinitely extensible. You can practically live in Emacs[1]; some things I wanted to do in Emacs were hard to pull off, but I'm yet to find something it can't do. And it does so for years. Fashionable editors come and go, but E…

I love Emasc but it can't even do proper full screen. I really wish ST3 has more APIs in the Emacs spirit, but keeping it modern.

What's wrong with F11?

Re: Setting up Sublime Text 2

#100

Post by chipotle_coyote »

Uchikoma wrote: post #97
dnos wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You find it odd that Sublime Text is so widely loved? Seriously? It combines the greatness of some of the best editors out there into a single one that is approachable and sexy and you can't see how it appeals to the masses? Let's list out some of my favorite features of Sublime Text (please keep in mind I switched FROM vim to Sublime): 1.) VIntage mode that allows for 99% of day-to-day vim stuff 2.) A plugin system…

How is the buy-the-beta-then-there-is-a-new-version-immediately-you-need-to-pay-for-again reasonable licensing?

As someone who purchased Sublime Text 2 over a year ago, I'll have to pay a $30 upgrade fee. Someone who purchases v2 now (or any time after the announcement of v3) will get the upgrade free. Anyone who purchased v2 in the 90-day period before v3 was announced will be able to upgrade for only $11.

This doesn't strike me as wildly unreasonable.

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