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Google Fiber’s Next Stop: Austin, Texas

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Re: Google Fiber’s Next Stop: Austin, Texas

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Most of the current migration into Texas is from California and NY. How can I tell? They are constantly bitching that Texas isn't California or NY.

Don't forget Florida! 130,000 people are expected to immigrate to Austin in the next 2 years. Insane!

It's going to be awesome. Austin is growing like crazy.

Re: Google Fiber’s Next Stop: Austin, Texas

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The great thing about working for an Internet company (I'm assuming you do since you've been on Hacker News for a while) is that you can really live anywhere. I moved my most recent startup to Austin after living in the Valley for 10 years and SoCal for 2. I'm already ridiculously happy with the move. And it seems like much of California is following me here--we are even getting an In-N-Out Burger this year! Austin i…

I live in Dallas and I like the lower cost of living and everything. But now I wish I lived in Austin. :) The thing I hate about both Dallas and Austin is driving. I used to live northeast and could walk everywhere much easier. Austin seems to be pretty bike-friendly though, and Dallas is becoming more so.

Lived in both Austin and North Dallas. Compared to Austin traffic, Dallas is a parking lot. Austin has random spouts of traffic and a plethora of backroads. Dallas, the side highways are the backroads. Beltline Road would be backed up from 6 AM to 2 AM daily. Awful, awful traffic.

We tried to go from Dallas to Plano one time on a weekday at 4:30. Took 3 hours for a 15-20 mile trip. Nuts to that.

Re: Google Fiber’s Next Stop: Austin, Texas

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I'd guess north and west myself. Some south. The hipster parts of east.

Austinite here. East of I35 is commonly known as the "wrong side of the tracks". If Austin is wiring up for business and residential focus, they'll do west, some limited up north, downtown, and down Congress Avenue & First Avenue. They might extend to the west of MoPac (Loop 1, follows the old Missouri-Pacific line) but I'm not sure that the neighborhoods there are officially part of Austin or incorporated as a small…

Your parent comment said the hipster parts of east Austin, so we're not talking about rundberg and the areas that the cops are swearing they'll clean up. There are parts of the east side that are friendly and cheap. There's a nice pocket of neighborhoods around 51st street that's low on crime and just a long bike ride from downtown.

Re: Google Fiber’s Next Stop: Austin, Texas

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I'd guess north and west myself. Some south. The hipster parts of east.

Austinite here. East of I35 is commonly known as the "wrong side of the tracks". If Austin is wiring up for business and residential focus, they'll do west, some limited up north, downtown, and down Congress Avenue & First Avenue. They might extend to the west of MoPac (Loop 1, follows the old Missouri-Pacific line) but I'm not sure that the neighborhoods there are officially part of Austin or incorporated as a small…

East of I35 hasn't really been known as the "wrong side of the tracks" for several years now. It's changed tremendously since what it was like in the late 1990s/early 2000s.

Re: Google Fiber’s Next Stop: Austin, Texas

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I'd guess north and west myself. Some south. The hipster parts of east.

Austinite here. East of I35 is commonly known as the "wrong side of the tracks". If Austin is wiring up for business and residential focus, they'll do west, some limited up north, downtown, and down Congress Avenue & First Avenue. They might extend to the west of MoPac (Loop 1, follows the old Missouri-Pacific line) but I'm not sure that the neighborhoods there are officially part of Austin or incorporated as a small…

Yeah...I'm an Austinite, too.

Mueller and on down through 2nd Street out to about Chicon east of 35 (an a bit beyond) is full of 20-30 something professionals. It will likely see some action. Maybe Riverside because of the college students but I kinda doubt it. Zilker, SoCo, and Travis Heights have a good shot down south. All of the neighborhoods around downtown and UT are almost certain to see it first. I gotta believe from there they'd just work their way up Burnet, Guadalupe and Lamar until they hit 183 (Though that process make take five years). Tarrytown up to Far West on the West side of Mopac is a pretty good bet too.

Notable neighborhoods that might be out of luck for awhile: WestLake...too far out, too spread apart. South East from Oltorf on down is probably not going to see it for a while. South Lamar is probably a no go (not enough residences or tech businesses) and so Westgate and Manchaca on South and West (Circle C and environs) are probably out of luck too. The Arboretum area might get lucky but I doubt it and I think further west and north of that is pretty unlikely in the next few years unless Google is happy having disparate clusters. I think that area would lap it up but I don't think it is close enough to the downtown/UT epicenter where this is likely to spread from.

If I were Google, I'd pick three different clusters to spread and meet. One at UT/downtown to spread in all directions but particularly North, one at the Arboretum to spread West and North and one somewhere around Westgate to spread West, East and South.

Re: Google Fiber’s Next Stop: Austin, Texas

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Google here is doing what they do best which is sticking to their core business of advertising/search while spending a bit here and there to disrupt businesses that they see as threatening to their core business. It is to Google's advantage to have fast pipes to their users. Right now they are getting their intended result from people in the USA. If Kansas City can have gigabit internet for a low price why can't I? T…

"In business, I look for economic castles protected by unbreachable moats" - Warren Buffett I completely agree that its in Google's interest to have faster pipes. But I think Google Fiber may just be another moat for Google, another way for them to hinder their perceived threats. This was an excellent write up on Google's strategy to build business moats (from 2011): http://abovethecrowd.com/2011/03/24/freight-train-…

But I think Google Fiber may just be another moat for Google, another way for them to hinder their perceived threats.

When FB was asked about a phone they said that any phone user they'd get it wouldn't move the scale given their 1 billion+ users. Same with Google, it's extremely expensive to wire a significant number of their users, so they are doing this hoping AT&T, Comcast etc upgrade their connection and match the price. Which they might--in the areas where Google is entering. Personally, I would not count of the price being, say $70 for a long time.

Re: Google Fiber’s Next Stop: Austin, Texas

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This is how it goes with most service roll outs. If the people in the suburbs are really miffed that they aren't one of the first areas picked for Google Fiber, perhaps they should consider the downsides of living in the sprawl. Congrats to any Austin HNers on your freedom from [insert Austin cable monopoly here]

>perhaps they should consider the downsides of living in the sprawl. I'm sympathetic to this point of view, but in many places it's not possible for everyone to live in the city center because of development restrictions that drive up prices (see here: http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2012/05/face... one discussion that I've posted before, albeit about California).

TX is not CA. There are high rises going up all over downtown Austin. People are building as fast as they can get permits.

Re: Google Fiber’s Next Stop: Austin, Texas

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This is how it goes with most service roll outs. If the people in the suburbs are really miffed that they aren't one of the first areas picked for Google Fiber, perhaps they should consider the downsides of living in the sprawl. Congrats to any Austin HNers on your freedom from [insert Austin cable monopoly here]

I wonder if this timeline is slow enough for a given city's cable monopoly to respond with price/terms/bandwidth competition in time to head off google fiber. Doesn't mean they will, but I would think that this is slow enough that they could theoretically ramp it up.

I'm sure TWC will now prioritize Austin as one of their first DOCSIS 3.1 deployments so they will likely be doing 300-500Mbit/sec at minimum by then.
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