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AppGratis pulled from the App Store. Here’s the full story

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Re: AppGratis pulled from the App Store. Here’s the full story

#11

A former colleague of mine had a series of "cheat" apps which included answers to popular games on the app store. He started to see his apps pulled on Sunday. It could be a coincidence, but he had upwards of a million active users and never had an issue before either. Maybe Apple decided it was time to crack down on some of the rules they hadn't been enforcing.

Sounds more like there's been employee turnover in the AppStore review team and the new guys are re-interpreting the rules.

Re: AppGratis pulled from the App Store. Here’s the full story

#12
I don't feel like the larger issue was addressed by the CEO in the post and Apple seems to be avoiding it as well.

According to the AllThingsD article [1],

"But sources close to the company [Apple] say it was more than a little troubled that AppGratis was pushing a business model that appeared to favor developers with the financial means to pay for exposure. ... In other words, app-discovery platforms built on paid recommendations aren’t going to fly with Apple."

If this is their business model and this is really the issue, then it needs to be directly addressed by both sides.

[1]http://allthingsd.com/20130408/confirmed-apple-kicks-appgrat...

Re: AppGratis pulled from the App Store. Here’s the full story

#13
post #9

Is being listed in the App Store a contract? Does it matter that my app was good to go at one point but could be pulled at any time if they introduce a new guideline? How do they justify unilaterally affecting what has to be a billion dollar industry that relies (or what could amount to legal reliance for equitable reasons) on them?

Who do they need to justify it to? It's apple's app store.

Re: AppGratis pulled from the App Store. Here’s the full story

#14
post #2

I will save HN the time: "I can't believe that it's 2013 and people are still basing their entire company around the App Store with it's murky rules" "But there's a lot of money to be made there, it's worth it!" "Apple needs to change their procedures" They're all true. Basing a business around an app is both risky and potentially very profitable. Apple should change their practises but have little incentive to. So,…

I've been recommending Android for a while, and here is another concrete reason why. Every time one of these stories appears I write the following: I develop for iPhone and I used to love OS X. The iPhone in entirety and OS X lately are aimed directly at people who don't know how to use computers even if it comes at the expense of those who do. Everyone do yourself a favor and switch to Linux on your computing platforms.

Regarding the OP; I hope the blog post kicks up enough noise that they allow the app again. Having a large public outcry is the only way to get Apple to do anything other than sue Samsung in attempt to prevent them from innovating faster.

Re: AppGratis pulled from the App Store. Here’s the full story

#16
Detailed post, but it doesn't seem to address two things.

1. The WSJ report noted that Apple was concerned that " AppGratis was pushing a business model that appeared to favor developers with the financial means to pay for exposure." Simon hasn't addressed this point. Do they make paid recommendations ?

If they do make app-recommendations based on payments, it makes a lot of sense for Apple to ban them. As an iOS (and Android) developer, I personally think that paid-recommendations are bad for the ecosystem (though I'm sure that some giant shops paying for recommendations may disagree). At the least, I think users of AppGratis should be told if the recommendations are "paid for".

2. Simon's discussion of rule 5.6 doesn't really address the problem. Rule 5.6 says "Apps cannot use Push Notifications to send advertising, promotions, or direct marketing of any kind."

Simon counters by saying that they only send one notification per day and that users opt-in. However, neither claim refutes the fact that they''re violating rule 5.6. All iOS push-notifications are opt-in anyway. Rule 5.6 says 'no advertisement , no promotions,.... no direct marketing'. It doesn't make exceptions for apps that only send one notification per day. Now Simon could argue that Rule 5.6 is bad for the user and that push-notification-advertisements/promotions are good. That may be a debatable point. However, it is clear that his claims do nothing to counter the fact that AppGratis violates Rule 5.6 (as it is written)

Re: AppGratis pulled from the App Store. Here’s the full story

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post #2

I will save HN the time: "I can't believe that it's 2013 and people are still basing their entire company around the App Store with it's murky rules" "But there's a lot of money to be made there, it's worth it!" "Apple needs to change their procedures" They're all true. Basing a business around an app is both risky and potentially very profitable. Apple should change their practises but have little incentive to. So,…

Yep. Now you can present the "Be Your Own Bitch" argument that it's like any business relying on a single source of traffic/income. A desktop-facing service nimble enough to pivot after an algorithm shift cripples their organic search rankings at least has options. If you're a local business, you can buy another billboard or do something else if your gravy train goes away.

The problem with the app market is that you literally can't be your own bitch. Your entire business lies in the hands of either Apple or Google. And until HTML5 (or non-native alternatives) gain traction and press Apple/Google into changing their ways a little bit, what is the solution?

Re: AppGratis pulled from the App Store. Here’s the full story

#18

I don't feel like the larger issue was addressed by the CEO in the post and Apple seems to be avoiding it as well. According to the AllThingsD article [1], "But sources close to the company [Apple] say it was more than a little troubled that AppGratis was pushing a business model that appeared to favor developers with the financial means to pay for exposure. ... In other words, app-discovery platforms built on paid r…

This is an interesting point. Just curious why did the AllThingsD article cross out: "In other words, app-discovery platforms are fine as long as they’re not built on paid recommendations." and replace it with "In other words, app-discovery platforms built on paid recommendations aren’t going to fly with Apple."

Re: AppGratis pulled from the App Store. Here’s the full story

#20
This shouldn't have come as that much of a surprise, given that AppShopper was pulled last December.

http://thenextweb.com/apple/2012/12/18/apple-removes-popular...

That was also a very useful app that provided real functionality that is missing from the Apple Store, like price history and price sale alerts. But Apple doesn't want to make it easier to figure out if you should wait to buy an app. Good for Apple, bad for users.

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