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Re: Redesigning the Save Symbol

#11
I always wondered why nobody else seemed to follow the lead of Lotus 1-2-3 for Windows. Use "save" and "load" icons that portray arrows pointing to and from folders [1]. Never have to worry about a floppy again.

Turns out, these guys just did that. Except with documents [2] and clouds [3] instead of folders. Guess iOS did away with those.

[1] - As seen in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lotus_1-2-3_9.8_Windows.p... , upper left corner

[2] - http://branch.com/b/redesigning-the-save-symbol-let-s-do-thi...

[3] - http://branch.com/b/redesigning-the-save-symbol-let-s-do-thi...

Re: Redesigning the Save Symbol

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A "phone" these days is usually, more or less, a small box with one glowy side. Yet these self-same devices, to represent "phone", use the silhouette of the handset from an old Bell Telephone landline model, thirty years after those phones went out of fashion. To even the younger generation, that shape means "phone", even if it doesn't look like a phone.

Similarly, the D-pad from a NES controller -- or worse, an Atari 2600 joystick -- is often used to represent or signify "video games".

"Home" is based on tract housing from the 1950s; yet even if home to you is an apartment, condo unit, palace, or boat, that icon still means "home".

There's another example. I just recently bought a Moleskine with an abstract graphic image of an audiocassette on it. There's no real reason for this; it's very hipster. It's sort of "celebrating the audiocassette" because to an entire generation of people, the cassette -- and its shape -- meant music (especially music on the go, like in a Walkman). Youngsters connect to it too, in a "retro" way. The same will be true of the floppy disk icon. No one uses it now, but it was ubiquitous that -- like the audiocassette or the distinctively shaped horn of a Victrola phonograph -- its shape has become semi-permanently associated in our culture with its intended use.

Re: Redesigning the Save Symbol

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Google Docs doesn't have a Save function, instead it has an endless revision history. Which makes me think... if I'm coding and the project is in git repository, why am I still manually saving all the time? Why not automatically save every change I make as a revision, and provide me with endless undo (even if I quit the IDE). "Save" could now instead do a git rebase & squash to produce a neater commit from the many i…

"History" might be the keyword here as long as we remember that in many eastern cultures time, as well as writing, flows from right to left compared to the western left-to-right style. This removes the arrow option, I guess, if we want to keep the symbolism from being bound to specific set of cultures.

Re: Redesigning the Save Symbol

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Alternatively, we could make autosave ubiquitous so the symbol is no longer needed.

Only if saving also provides infinite undo, and the ability to save to multiple locations. Saving is often used by non-developers as a poor man's branching and version history.

But like what you're getting at, we already have concepts like "branch" and "undo" and "version history" and "publish" for other uses of the save button and most of those already have their own, more intuitive icons. So why not do away with "save" as something that has to be done manually and emphasize those other actions with their own buttons.

Re: Redesigning the Save Symbol

#15
App should just save automatically.

Usually when people use save, they actually want to take an action. (ie: exporting the file somewhere, sending it to someone, etc.)

This thread should focus on identifying those actions and finding more universal ways to make them ubiquitous.

What if there was a universal "send this" or "invite someone to collaborate" button?

Re: Redesigning the Save Symbol

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post #15

App should just save automatically. Usually when people use save, they actually want to take an action. (ie: exporting the file somewhere, sending it to someone, etc.) This thread should focus on identifying those actions and finding more universal ways to make them ubiquitous. What if there was a universal "send this" or "invite someone to collaborate" button?

Then you would have to have millions of buttons for the millions of things people do with files. The beauty of the filesystem is that a single function (save) can be extended by other programs into many things. (Source control, file transfer, editing in another program, ect.)

Re: Redesigning the Save Symbol

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post #12

A "phone" these days is usually, more or less, a small box with one glowy side. Yet these self-same devices, to represent "phone", use the silhouette of the handset from an old Bell Telephone landline model, thirty years after those phones went out of fashion. To even the younger generation, that shape means "phone", even if it doesn't look like a phone. Similarly, the D-pad from a NES controller -- or worse, an Atar…

Even the word “phone” is interesting, I have a feeling people will continue to apply it to increasingly advanced portable personal technologies far into the future.

Re: Redesigning the Save Symbol

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post #11

I always wondered why nobody else seemed to follow the lead of Lotus 1-2-3 for Windows. Use "save" and "load" icons that portray arrows pointing to and from folders [1]. Never have to worry about a floppy again. Turns out, these guys just did that. Except with documents [2] and clouds [3] instead of folders. Guess iOS did away with those. [1] - As seen in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lotus_1-2-3_9.8_Windows.p..…

but wtf is a "folder", now?

Re: Redesigning the Save Symbol

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post #11

I always wondered why nobody else seemed to follow the lead of Lotus 1-2-3 for Windows. Use "save" and "load" icons that portray arrows pointing to and from folders [1]. Never have to worry about a floppy again. Turns out, these guys just did that. Except with documents [2] and clouds [3] instead of folders. Guess iOS did away with those. [1] - As seen in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lotus_1-2-3_9.8_Windows.p..…

People with relatively poor vision may have a problem identifying those icons.
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