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> the disciplines that comprised a college education in its > entirety for thousands of years, but whateve

I would love to study the humanities. One of my favourite classes in college was British Lit. But universities are just too damn expensive. If I'm going to spend ten of thousands on an education it's going to be one that can pay off loans.

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To be fair, this post is about a literature Ph.D., not one in a field like Mathematics or Computer Science. Not that the job outlook is a lot rosier on that side, but it's an important distinction to be made.

I think we should clarify that the research-job outlook is not rosy in CS. There are plenty of corporations that want to hire CS PhDs for non-research work. And there is always the entrepreneurial route (the smart VCs aren't going to hold the PhD against you).

That's true, though if you want a job in industry doing non-research CS work, the case for going beyond a B.S. or an M.S. in the first place is considerably weaker. You could do a PhD if you want to spend a few years in grad school out of personal/intellectual interest, presumably the same reason one would do the same in literature, but it's not going to really open career doors unless you're interested in research.

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post #2

To be fair, this post is about a literature Ph.D., not one in a field like Mathematics or Computer Science. Not that the job outlook is a lot rosier on that side, but it's an important distinction to be made.

I think we should clarify that the research-job outlook is not rosy in CS. There are plenty of corporations that want to hire CS PhDs for non-research work. And there is always the entrepreneurial route (the smart VCs aren't going to hold the PhD against you).

In Germany there are plenty research-jobs, but most of them in civil service, so no CS-PhD want it. The industry just pays much better.

Last year there was something in the news about the payment of professors, which was about $5000 a month. This is an entry level pay of a software developer (without Master or PhD) in Germany.

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Going full academic can indeed ruin a person, but there's a way to prevent that: a social circle that includes at least some people who are not academics. They can provide emotional support while you're earning your degree, drag you out of the ivory tower every once in a while (kicking and screaming, if they must) both before and after the degree, and generally keep you grounded enough to remember that you are not, in fact, on a higher plane of existence. That's valuable.

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I know several electrical engineering professors (PhD's from Carnegie Mellon, etc). They have no issue getting jobs at universities or in private sector. They are paid very well too.

I'm glad to hear job prospects for EE's have improved. I remember a time about 12 years ago when a graduate degree in EE and a buck would get you a newspaper and a shitty cup of coffee. Nothing like getting introduced to the new-hire at our shitty 2nd shift call center only to find out they've got a doctorate and 10 years of job experience and ended up having to take a gig in tech support just to feed their family.

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What a bad article. First, a humanities PhD has little relation (from a career and financial perspective) to a STEM PhD. So I don't understand why this link is on Hacker News. Second, while I complain about the relatively-not-high compensation and limited opportunities available to CS PhDs, it isn't that bad if you graduated from a top 10-20 program. Lets stop it with the PhD bashing already. - a CS PhD

The article is specifically about literature PhDs. I don't know why that isn't in the title here.

Title was too long; I already had to cut essential words. Sorry! Wasn't trying to mislead.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article is specifically about literature PhDs. I don't know why that isn't in the title here.

The 3 people I know with lit PhDs had full-time jobs/careers and did the PhD for love of the subject rather than anything else. None of them expected to get a tenure-track faculty job - an adjunct teaching appointment at the local college from time to time was more in line with what these people wanted.

Don't most community colleges accept a Master's for adjunct positions?

Not that love of subject is a bad reason to get a PhD, but if the end goal is teaching a local course every now and then, you could presumably do that after you have the MS and (potentially) while pursuing the PhD, right?

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we should clarify that the research-job outlook is not rosy in CS. There are plenty of corporations that want to hire CS PhDs for non-research work. And there is always the entrepreneurial route (the smart VCs aren't going to hold the PhD against you).

In Germany there are plenty research-jobs, but most of them in civil service, so no CS-PhD want it. The industry just pays much better. Last year there was something in the news about the payment of professors, which was about $5000 a month. This is an entry level pay of a software developer (without Master or PhD) in Germany.

There are lifestyle considerations too. Academic work year, no crazy work hours, etc.

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we should clarify that the research-job outlook is not rosy in CS. There are plenty of corporations that want to hire CS PhDs for non-research work. And there is always the entrepreneurial route (the smart VCs aren't going to hold the PhD against you).

In Germany there are plenty research-jobs, but most of them in civil service, so no CS-PhD want it. The industry just pays much better. Last year there was something in the news about the payment of professors, which was about $5000 a month. This is an entry level pay of a software developer (without Master or PhD) in Germany.

"...which was about $5000 a month. This is an entry level pay of a software developer (without Master or PhD) in Germany."

Where? I'm near what, as I understand it, is considered a good area for high-tech workers (Ruhr area), but I don't see many jobs paying this much (maybe I'm looking in the wrong places?)

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