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Roger Ebert dies at 70 after battle with cancer

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Re: Roger Ebert dies at 70 after battle with cancer

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Ebert was a great film critic, but oddly, no one here seems to be talking about his one gigantic blind spot, which is his enduring and impenetrable belief that video games are not art, could never be art, and have no artistic merit whatsoever. His half-hearted apology - "I still believe this, but I should never have said so." - is in no way a retraction or backdown from that belief. This is totally wrong. Movies are…

> This is totally wrong.

That's your opinion, just as he had his. I find it interesting that you question his fortitude mere hours after his death, simply because he doesn't have the same opinion that you do on a topic that resonates with you and that you are passionate about. He probably didn't give two shits until the video game community ate him alive for saying it, then he had to pretend to give one shit.

You're also assuming he would have wanted to review video games, even if he saw them as art. He chose to review film and rarely wandered, with the rest of his writing being mostly commentary on things not related to film or the arts; who are you to question his courage based on his choices and preferences? That's like me demanding that you write software for Windows Phone, with the caveat that I'll question your technical chops if you don't.

I work with a lot of people that don't like video games. I don't like Brussels sprouts, and some people do. Who cares? Move on.

Re: Roger Ebert dies at 70 after battle with cancer

#102
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Agnostic "I cannot believe in God. I refuse to call myself a atheist however, because that indicates too great a certainty about the unknowable." http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2013/03/how_i_am_a_roman_cat...

This is a disagreement over words, not about what those words correspond to. The map is not the territory.

All anyone ever has is an educated approximated guess about reality.

Re: Roger Ebert dies at 70 after battle with cancer

#103
What can you say about a film reviewer that gives Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace 3.5 out of 4 stars?

Useless.

I don't get all this praise I'm reading here. Despite being witty, a national treasure, and whatever, he had one core job to do, and he was terrible at it.

Re: Roger Ebert dies at 70 after battle with cancer

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It's a sad comment on society that Ebert is considered an intellectual.

Why? Because he chose to primarily comment about movies in public? And you don't consider movies worthy of intellectual commentary?

There's nothing wrong with film criticism. Ebert's 4-star ratings are even a good heuristic for picking something to watch. All of his "great movies" are generally recognized as such. And he certainly knew a lot more details about film than probably anyone else.

The problem with Ebert's reviews is that they offer very little in the way of insight, analysis, or depth. Instead, they are generally straightforward expositions of the film crew, setting, characters, and plot. This means that you cannot read them before watching a film, unless you want to be spoiled, and afterwards, if you were paying any kind of attention, you've already grasped everything that he points out. He doesn't usually explain what he thought the central message of a film is, so it can be unclear if he got it or not. He isn't big on interpretation.

He wasn't an idiot, but he didn't do the hard intellectual work of coming up with something new to say about films. Even the most hyper-intelligent person would have a hard time coming up with "intellectual" things to say at the rate he churned through movies. I think he was writing something like one review per day by the end.

Ebert's reviews are to film criticism what Ebert's one-pot cooking is to a full kitchen. He could make something reasonable, and it would appeal to lots of people, but the structural and time constraints meant it would never have the sophistication of an in-depth treatment. Ask someone in film studies, ask someone in culinary school.

The positive side of a lack of depth is breadth, which means we have a massive number of star ratings from a single source, and as such his work is a reasonable encyclopedia of film. Much of what he details in his reviews isn't available in Wikipedia, or appropriate for it.

Re: Roger Ebert dies at 70 after battle with cancer

#106

What can you say about a film reviewer that gives Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace 3.5 out of 4 stars? Useless. I don't get all this praise I'm reading here. Despite being witty, a national treasure, and whatever, he had one core job to do, and he was terrible at it.

> What can you say about a film reviewer that gives Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace 3.5 out of 4 stars?

That he enjoyed it and you didn't? Some people really love that film, but I'm perfectly willing to accept that you don't. You should be just as willing to accept that others do.

Your comment sucks.

Re: Roger Ebert dies at 70 after battle with cancer

#107

Ebert was a great film critic, but oddly, no one here seems to be talking about his one gigantic blind spot, which is his enduring and impenetrable belief that video games are not art, could never be art, and have no artistic merit whatsoever. His half-hearted apology - "I still believe this, but I should never have said so." - is in no way a retraction or backdown from that belief. This is totally wrong. Movies are…

Who cares? He didn't even play them. He's right, he has every right to believe what he wants, but he shouldn't have said anything about it because he's not qualified to comment.

Re: Roger Ebert dies at 70 after battle with cancer

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Wow. The Fitzgerald quote is amazing. Thanks for sharing. As a kid growing up in a poor, rural community, I wasn't exposed to much intellectual writing. The exception was the reprint in the local paper of Ebert's movie reviews, and of course seeing him on one of the two channels that came in on the antenna. When so many around me thought that being dissatisfied with the intellectual equivalent of McDonald's was eliti…

It's a sad comment on society that Ebert is considered an intellectual.

This idea that new forms of media (film, TV) are innately anti-intellectual just because the classics were in writing is ridiculous.

Don't get me wrong. Reading is important, the classics are important. But the idea that you have to focus in "old stuff" to be intellectual is absurd.

Re: Roger Ebert dies at 70 after battle with cancer

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post #99

Ebert was a great film critic, but oddly, no one here seems to be talking about his one gigantic blind spot, which is his enduring and impenetrable belief that video games are not art, could never be art, and have no artistic merit whatsoever. His half-hearted apology - "I still believe this, but I should never have said so." - is in no way a retraction or backdown from that belief. This is totally wrong. Movies are…

Nobody really cares about that. He never really got video games but he was old and nobody expected him to. Also, only pretentious fools spend anytime arguing about what is or isn't art. I think we will have to look for great video game critics from our generation.

Ian Bogost. Example review: http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/01/hun...

Re: Roger Ebert dies at 70 after battle with cancer

#110

What can you say about a film reviewer that gives Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace 3.5 out of 4 stars? Useless. I don't get all this praise I'm reading here. Despite being witty, a national treasure, and whatever, he had one core job to do, and he was terrible at it.

Ebert rated movies by how well they succeeded at what was trying to be accomplished - by that measure, isn't his rating accurate? That movie did almost everything its makers were trying to accomplish.
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