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Dubai: How not to build a city

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Re: Dubai: How not to build a city

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One thing is striking: An AMERICAN (I ssume) says thatcity built for driving. I am afraid to even imagine when a guyfrom have-a-car-or-starve-because-of-no-foodstores-in-walkable -distance country make such statatements, what a place it is.

He's Canadian

Re: Dubai: How not to build a city

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Yes, but those immigrants had a better life and more opportunity in America than their homeland. They came and stayed voluntarily.

I don't really know the details of Dubai's labor situation, but aren't they also there voluntarily? I know laws are different in the Middle East, but I thought slavery was still illegal in the UAE.

Dubai's guest workers won't become citizens, not matter how long they work there.

Re: Dubai: How not to build a city

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Wasn't it just a year ago that Dubai was held up as a shining example of modernity in the Arab world? The future of cities in this interlocking global economy? Its reliance on tourism and finance was lauded because everyone knew that oil in the Persian Gulf would eventually run out. And a lot of people I know wanted to go to Dubai (my sister actually wanted to be spend a year working overseas there) just to check it…

It was held as a shining example, by many of the same people lauding the innovative financial products we now label as toxic. They were wrong.

Should Dubai fall into ruin, it will serve as a powerful weapon in the hands of those that oppose a secular society in the Middle East. Dubai should be a lesson we learn from, but not at the expense of positive modernization.

Re: Dubai: How not to build a city

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The article didn't point out any arguments or facts to back up the theory that "you don't build a city like this", except for the opinion that "you just don't". Too much emotions, too little reason. The city may in fact be in decline but for the whole other reasons: decline in tourism and financial markets. These are the factors that influence it badly, not the way it was built. And if the city keeps declining it's because tourism, technology and finance dived too deep and weren't able to keep the city afloat, not because "it was built badly". I could understand such wording in an emotional blog post, not in anything even resembling serious journalims.

Re: Dubai: How not to build a city

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Yeah. I read them and occasionally re-read them when I start thinking that the explanation for WTF these stories make it to the front page might be that the criteria have changed.

You can improve your experience without polluting the comments. Consider writing a greasemonkey script that filters domains that contain content that you don't want to see, then share the script with the community.

That is beyond my abilities since, as a previous poster said, this is a potentially interesting topic but this article about it is completely uninteresting.

Re: Dubai: How not to build a city

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our icons of today are our counter-examples of tomorrow. Moreover I think the list of counter-examples bout cities is full, thank you everybody: Brasilia, Valparaiso, Paris, New York, Tokyo, etc., now Dubai. Maybe now is time to resurrect Christopher Alexander's spirit (I just checked, he is medically alive) and look at what is good and why it's good.

not sure I understand the comparison between Paris/NY/Tokyo and Dubai...?

they all have been deemed "the way you should not build a city" at one point or another (for different reasons of course).

Re: Dubai: How not to build a city

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post #8

Wasn't it just a year ago that Dubai was held up as a shining example of modernity in the Arab world? The future of cities in this interlocking global economy? Its reliance on tourism and finance was lauded because everyone knew that oil in the Persian Gulf would eventually run out. And a lot of people I know wanted to go to Dubai (my sister actually wanted to be spend a year working overseas there) just to check it…

For me, the city looks like if they were trying to build already complete adult human, then turn it on and hope it will live, without having to be born and then grow up to that form. Which is something I'm quite afraid of, because it usually works badly.

You've... already built a complete adult human?

Re: Dubai: How not to build a city

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but those immigrants had a better life and more opportunity in America than their homeland. They came and stayed voluntarily.

I don't really know the details of Dubai's labor situation, but aren't they also there voluntarily? I know laws are different in the Middle East, but I thought slavery was still illegal in the UAE.

The story linked in http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=550719 has some anecdotes about how some of the workers get lured to Dubai and then stuck there. Saudi Arabia (one of the countries I've lived in) did similar things to their working classes.
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