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No, think it through. Poster said, "I've contributed to keeping prisoners in prison." This is in no way an inherently good thing--especially given the well-documented clusterfuck that is the judicial system in the US. Have you ever been through the wringer? I don't think that kudos for helping that system is in order, unless it was specifically something like "I wrote software to help schedule inmate times so that vi…
> "Fix the base system" would be something like "I made a simpler marketplace so that care providers (doctors) can directly bill patients, cheaply and transparently." ... while simultaneously violating the agreements they signed with insurance providers and putting themselves out of business? I don't know about you, but I want prisoners to stay in prison. To make a blanket statement like "[Contributing to keeping pri…
We call ourselves innovators, but most of us are really just iterators
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Re: We call ourselves innovators, but most of us are really just iterators
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> "why do you seem to posit that he should do that as a moral obligation?" Because otherwise they become tyrants. We're talking about the most powerful, most influential demographic in a particular place, whether that's Western European in the US or Han-Chinese in China. There is a dominant group that gets a tremendous amount of decision-making power, and those in power have the moral obligation of having perspective…
> those in power have the moral obligation of having perspective. > There is absolutely a moral obligation to seek perspective (cast another, understand one's own privilege), and this goes double if your race/religion/etc grants you power over others. Again, I ask why[1]. What precisely gives that moral imperative? My readings in history do not suggest to me that this ethical stricture has been a constant throughout…
Does it have to be? Slavery was the social norm for thousands of years and has only been widely considered unacceptable for perhaps Ditto race equality - we consider it a moral imperative today, but for thousands of years it was not really a thing.
The notion of morality evolves over time - the fact that a moral conclusion is new does not in and of itself make it less, well, imperative.
But there's also the flip side - in this case this is something that has been considered a moral imperative in history. The concept that the rulers have a moral obligation to be informed and just is well supported by historical societies.
Back when we gave power to people based on familial relations, we called this the noblesse oblige[1]. The concept was also applied to other figures of power, such as the monarchy. The concept is mixed up with a lot of notions that one might find offensive today (e.g., that the masses are unable to rule themselves and from which derives the obligation and responsibility to rule fairly in their stead).
Nowadays we don't give out power based on family (much), we do it instead based on wealth and many other secondary factors - race and religion being large among them.
Re: We call ourselves innovators, but most of us are really just iterators
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#124Re: We call ourselves innovators, but most of us are really just iterators
#125My favorite resource about software innovation is David A. Wheeler's list of the most important software innovations.[1] Most of the items on the list are from the 60s, 70s, and 80s, and 90s; just one is from the past ten years (Wheeler was at first ambivalent about even adding it). He also makes the point that it is okay not to be innovative, and quotes Linus Torvalds: "People want to hear about the one big idea tha…
It takes time for innovations to affect society. I bet that in 10/15 years we'll see that quantum computing and deep learning would be very important.
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#126We call ourselves innovators, but most of us are really just iterators... That's a fine line. The most significant innovations are often iterations. (Google comes to mind.) Why do we do this? Because we want to get rich, of course. I disagree with "Because we want to get rich". And I definitely disagree with "of course". Real hackers do this because we just have to . It just so happens that currently it's also a grea…
Ignoring the awful "real hackers" commentary, one has nothing to do with what the article was referencing at the time: starting a company.
At the core, if you start a company, you want to make money. Unless you are going the non-profit route, you are in it to make money, and that means getting rich.
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Growth, and positive interaction with the rest of the world?
Is such growth and positive interaction only possible if a White / Cis / Male submits himself to this particular narrative, or is there room to debate and disagree?
A considered opinion deserves respect if not agreement. One formed on assumption, in a vacuum is more difficult to accept.
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Unfortunately the economic/political system as we know it isn't good at providing "not being broke" without "being rich".
I agree. The difference between being broke/not broke is the same as being poor/rich. There is no middle class anymore. Which sucks.
There is no middle class anymore: a line created by average folks who earn an average wage and spend too much and make minimum monthly payments on everything and after 20 years of humping the 9-5 or 10-6 or 12-7 wonder why their bank accounts are so anemic and why can't I retire to Hawaii like I planned to when I was 20? "Middle class" is a useless metric anyway, because when pressed to define it nobody can, or they massage the definition as the argument evolves.
Here's the definition: if you qualify for government assistance, you're poor. If you don't have to work for your money - you might choose to, but you don't have to - you're rich. The middle class is right in between. I don't know about you, but I see a huge swath of people in between the states of "waiting in the government cheese line" and "collecting 6/7/8/9-figure interest checks".
Re: We call ourselves innovators, but most of us are really just iterators
#129That quote from Jeff Hammerbacher comes to mind: "The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people click ads. That sucks." There's lots of genuine good to be done in the world outside of the US. A year or two ago I did a short presentation to students in an entrepreneur class in Monterrey, Mexico. Now Monterrey is rich even by US standards (in fact it's just across the border), but even then ther…
I find your comments and the original submission inspiring.
I think that the reason why so many of these recognizable problems remain unsolved has to do with something of a snowball effect. The opportunity to do hard work that can be seen as purely technological innovation is often more appealing than retrofitting some technology to solve an existing problem.
To use the example you gave, _forms_ of online payment exist, and are growing. Products like Paypal have been changing the way many companies think about accepting payment from their customers for years; immediate online payment has slowly been adopted by the U.S's largest banks.
However, for most of their users, these technologies exist as innovations in luxury: they improve upon existing technologies in order to provide further ease-of-use. This is different, I think, than applying an existing technology to a problem: instead of _improving_ upon something, you are instead _applying_ something to a different set of circumstances.
I think many people do not think of that as a hard problem: since the 'hard' technology already exists, applying it should be easy.
I also think that for most ambitious people who have 'innovate' stamped at the top of their to-do list and have the freedom of choosing what they would like to work on, it then appears to be a choice between 'improve' and 'apply', and improve likely wins out for most.
EDIT: I realize that I essentially re-make the 'iterate vs innovate' point the author makes in my above comment, but I am choosing to keep it there for the sake of coherence.
Re: We call ourselves innovators, but most of us are really just iterators
#130There are good arguments to be made on both sides. On the one hand I'd love to create something truly groundbreaking, but on the other, I don't want to toil away my life for decades and finally reach success with only a few decades of my life to live. Who says I need to innovate in the first place? I've only got 80 years here to live, why not make as much money as I can, as quickly as possible, and live my life to its absolute fullest.
Of course, these arguments are based on the assumption that your goal is to become wealthy and to innovate. It's a time issue for me. I don't for one second look down on people working on the next hot social app because there's a chance they may cash out far earlier than had they labored away in a lab studying the subjects that'll really push humans forward.
In the end, there's no great metric by which our accomplishments wil be judged. If you wanna spend your hours on a new email app, fine, and if you wanna spend your years studying photosynthetic biochemical photomicroscopy, then go for it. There's no right or wrong.