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Re: Dear HN "Who's Hiring" responders

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Post by Swannie »

rjknight wrote: post #170
Swannie wrote: post #166

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For London I strongly disagree. When start-ups, profitable ones, are offering £35k + bonus + stock options (worth £0), for senior developers, in Central London, there's not a talent shortage. Similarly skilled developers are getting £35k+ & bonus outside of London, where the cost of commuting/living is significantly cheaper, in established companies with full benefits packages, that don't expect them to work 50 hour…

That sounds wrong to me. I've seen lead/senior JS devs on £85k (~$130k) in London and mid-level generic PHP/Django/Rails developers seem to start in the mid-40s, with senior devs getting 60-70k. That's before you start looking at contractor rates...

Numbers I see for "generic PHP" rarely go above 40...

http://www.technojobs.co.uk/search.phtml/php/searchfield/loc...

There are a few above 40, but they don't sound mid-level/generic.

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Post by Swannie »

octo_t wrote: post #168
Swannie wrote: post #166

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For London I strongly disagree. When start-ups, profitable ones, are offering £35k + bonus + stock options (worth £0), for senior developers, in Central London, there's not a talent shortage. Similarly skilled developers are getting £35k+ & bonus outside of London, where the cost of commuting/living is significantly cheaper, in established companies with full benefits packages, that don't expect them to work 50 hour…

As someone who lives and has worked in London this is really incorrect. All of the people that I know who work in London (not just in banks) are earning at least £35k+, almost always more than that. These are newly graduated developers, with lots of room for advancement. Conversely I know very few developers outside of London who are earning close to £35k, outside of London its much more likely to be research (ARM et…

So a post based on "who you know".

Most grad jobs in London will top out at £30k.

http://www.technojobs.co.uk/search.phtml/graduate-developer/...

Those that are higher are not real "junior" jobs - there's one that advertises "up to £50k", but then asks for 3-5 years experience. 5 years good experience puts you at the top end of mid-level.

There are a few finance jobs, that are looking for junior quant. developers. Yes, they are advertising above £30k. But they don't make up the bulk of the jobs on offer.

(And yes, I have a lot of anecdotal evidence too, for outside and inside London, having spent my early years working for a company with offices in Bath/Bristol/Reading, and the obligatory London "HQ").

Re: Dear HN "Who's Hiring" responders

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Post by Swannie »

manku_timma wrote: post #179
Swannie wrote: post #166

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For London I strongly disagree. When start-ups, profitable ones, are offering £35k + bonus + stock options (worth £0), for senior developers, in Central London, there's not a talent shortage. Similarly skilled developers are getting £35k+ & bonus outside of London, where the cost of commuting/living is significantly cheaper, in established companies with full benefits packages, that don't expect them to work 50 hour…

This doesnt sound right to me. I know senior dev's in London getting paid at least double of that (and in some cases even more). It is not in the NY or Bay area range, but it's not £35k either.

Again, I know senior developers that were pulling down £65k and generous bonuses. I know software architects with 15 years experience who are earning about the same too.

But to me, they are the outliers, of what is a market that is generally not paying much of a premium above outside London salaries (I knew some architects on £70k, waaaay outside of London, and many seniors on £50k + bonus).

And I didn't want to make the comparison, but yeah, these numbers are terrible compared to what you will find in the major USA cities.

Re: Dear HN "Who's Hiring" responders

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Post by calinet6 »

nollidge wrote: post #78
waterlesscloud wrote: post #69

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"Smart people who can learn new things" That seems like a pretty low bar.

Maybe look at it as can and will learn new things. Plenty of people are not so motivated.

The correct thought to have next is "Why?"

The answer makes that into a complex statement, and if your company can solve that problem, then it has solved a great many problems.

Re: Dear HN "Who's Hiring" responders

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Post by kabouseng »

xiaoma wrote: post #150
ig1 wrote: post #40

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As someone who's recruited heavily at the entry level, you're mistaken. Even substantial number of computer science graduates lack the capability of basic coding (i.e. "here's the detailed specification of this function; go implement it"). There is substantially more demand than available talent. SF, New York, London, Amsterdam, Berlin, etc. all have huge talent shortages. Even developer markets that were relatively…

That's excellent news. I'm close to graduation at the most intense hacker school in SF and definitely have a solid grasp of the fundamentals and domain expertise in JavaScript. I'd be very appreciative of any leads you could offer to top tier companies (FB, Google, Amazon, MS, mid-sized YC companies). My contact info is in my profile.

"most intense hacker school... in JavaScript". Does not compute.

Re: Dear HN "Who's Hiring" responders

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Post by xiaoma »

mseebach wrote: post #167
xiaoma wrote: post #150

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That's excellent news. I'm close to graduation at the most intense hacker school in SF and definitely have a solid grasp of the fundamentals and domain expertise in JavaScript. I'd be very appreciative of any leads you could offer to top tier companies (FB, Google, Amazon, MS, mid-sized YC companies). My contact info is in my profile.

That sounds weird. There's an "intense hacker school" in the SF area that lets people graduate without being absolutely flooded with leads to at least FB and Google?

In the one an only class to graduate prior to mine, several people were hired by McKinsey, but for whatever reason Facebook and Google were more conservative and failed to appear at the hiring event. I don't know any details, but a lot of companies are stuck in the "only hire CS majors with a GPA > x" mindset.

The school does do quite a bit to get us in front of people, but students also take the initiative to get intros. Many in the initial class went to start-ups.

This is the school: http://hackreactor.com/

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Post by asveikau »

anthonyb wrote: post #158
asveikau wrote: post #149

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I had a good laugh at that quote, but now I'm thinking: is it legit to cite one or more persons doing their job poorly to dismiss the entire profession? Do you keep around bad code to remind you why you don't talk to programmers? Examples of quack medicine to remind you why you don't talk to doctors?

Essentially every recruiter message that I've received on LinkedIn follows one of two patterns: a) Hello, you do Python, do you want a job? (with no position details, salary, reason to join, etc.) b) a) followed by a clumsy attempt to fish details of my contacts (I don't connect with recruiters). So, er, yeah - "Ha ha, profession!"

I don't doubt the abundance of bad behaviors. I was just doing a literal parse of your logic.

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Post by mseebach »

xiaoma wrote: post #196
mseebach wrote: post #167

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That sounds weird. There's an "intense hacker school" in the SF area that lets people graduate without being absolutely flooded with leads to at least FB and Google?

In the one an only class to graduate prior to mine, several people were hired by McKinsey, but for whatever reason Facebook and Google were more conservative and failed to appear at the hiring event. I don't know any details, but a lot of companies are stuck in the "only hire CS majors with a GPA > x" mindset. The school does do quite a bit to get us in front of people, but students also take the initiative to get in…

Given that this is a brand new thing, it sounds a lot like they are failing you massively on this bit of the promise - at the very least, and given you're paying for this, it's not FB and Google that failed to show up - it's Hack Reactor that failed to make them show up:

> WE’VE GOT CONNECTIONS

> Breaking into the tech industry can be hard on your own. We’ll help you craft a portfolio, guide you through practice interviews, introduce you to companies at our hiring day, and walk you through your job application process.

Re: Dear HN "Who's Hiring" responders

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Post by marklabedz »

sravfeyn wrote: post #160
vellum wrote: post #156

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You should get someone to proofread your writing. Your English is very good, but there are still a few things that sound weird. People spend 30 seconds skimming your CV/profile/resume. If you can make it more readable, it can only help your cause. I'd recommend going to fiverr.com and finding someone with a lot of good reviews to proofread your CV, profile, and cover letter.

Hey, thanks for taking the time to read and give such a valuable insight. Can you tell me what sounded weird. I have made a Google Doc, if you have minute please leave comment in the Doc. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mab-wHgNyTzGGBTdRiiY9yKZ... I will have it proofread by my friends.

Consistency is important. There are multiple styles (Chicago, APA, MLA, AP, etc) - picking one and sticking to it makes your writing more readable. Subconsciously, a reader will come to expect certain constructions or a particular flow (e.g., serial/Oxford comma or not). Think about consistency in areas such as document layout/structure (bullet points or prose), sentence structure, word choice, and punctuation.

Re: Dear HN "Who's Hiring" responders

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Post by xiaoma »

mseebach wrote: post #198
xiaoma wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the one an only class to graduate prior to mine, several people were hired by McKinsey, but for whatever reason Facebook and Google were more conservative and failed to appear at the hiring event. I don't know any details, but a lot of companies are stuck in the "only hire CS majors with a GPA > x" mindset. The school does do quite a bit to get us in front of people, but students also take the initiative to get in…

Given that this is a brand new thing, it sounds a lot like they are failing you massively on this bit of the promise - at the very least, and given you're paying for this, it's not FB and Google that failed to show up - it's Hack Reactor that failed to make them show up: > WE’VE GOT CONNECTIONS > Breaking into the tech industry can be hard on your own. We’ll help you craft a portfolio, guide you through practice inte…

Let's stop the misunderstanding right here. They've done a fantastic job, both in terms of teaching and connections. 100% of the recently graduated first cohort is hired.

Their connections have brought top-rate speakers from Heroku, Pinterest, Twitter, TapJoy, Coursera and others and the connections did get more companies in the door than we have graduating students. That list just doesn't include some companies that stuck to more conservative screening practices.

I commented here to connect with those seeking skills I and my classmates have to offer, not to solicit criticism from the peanut gallery. I love Hack Reactor.

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