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Re: Dear HN "Who's Hiring" responders

#81
I totally understand it's frustrating.

But I don't think you can change them with a post like this and I don't think you should, or that you even want to. People that would be doing this (regardless of whether they follow your advice or not) aren't the people they want to hire anyway.

If this post is the reason why they try, then they're not good candidates either way. If they follow this advice they're only making it harder for you to weed you out. Sure - that's what they want, but not what you want when you're hiring.

Re: Dear HN "Who's Hiring" responders

#82
post #8

I'd take the opposite approach: be glad when applicants send such poor cover letters because it immediately lets you know you should NOT waste your time on them. Some one who would send such a bad boilerplate cover letter is lazy for not sending an actual letter, technically inept for sending links to a private LinkedIn profile, and has a poor theory of mind regarding what an employer would like to see. This especial…

Agreed.

Re: Dear HN "Who's Hiring" responders

#83
I sort of agree with you, but there's also a form of over expectation from recruiters and HR services. In order to pass the screening tests, sometimes applicant must have demonstrated skills to save the world, and have proven track records of having done so. 3 times. I read this linkedin blog entry a few days ago where it was said that in order to be considered worthy of an interview, the applicant must show how much of a difference he brought in his previous job. This is completely silly. Not everyone can claim to have raised the company income by 235% by successfully reorganising from scratch the workflow of the engineering team. I am only slightly exagerating. Maybe that's just me taking things too literally. Or maybe I suck at what I do, but everywhere I worked, success was more the result of good teamwork than of the efforts of one single person. Yet simply stating that one is a good team player is not enough.

Yeah, everyone can say: I am a good team player. And every HR can say: Our company provides the best working environment. Hypocrisy on either sides leads nowhere, but it seems like it's still the expected standard.

I think that a linkedin profile can be enough. And if the profile isn't publicly accessible, there might be a good reason: privacy. So why not simply ask? At least it would show that the application is being processed. Or perhaps there's an option somewhere on Linkedin which let a user directly grant access to his profile to people handling job offers when they apply, and you just rant about those not seeing that option.

Re: Dear HN "Who's Hiring" responders

#84
post #50

Are you insane? What kind of place do you come from in which jobs are rarer than developers? Aren't you normally paying recruiters through the nose to access me? (For the record, I'd write a good message if I felt like the job was for A-listers, but the reality is I just read a lot of them and I can tell that most of these places aren't there.)

Your second line sounds self contradictory, so I'm not 100% sure which imbalance you think is implausible, but I've live in 2 US cities that definitely had a surplus of developers, and 1 that definitely had a surplus of jobs (the latter being the one I believe to be more common). They both happen.

Re: Dear HN "Who's Hiring" responders

#85
post #50

Are you insane? What kind of place do you come from in which jobs are rarer than developers? Aren't you normally paying recruiters through the nose to access me? (For the record, I'd write a good message if I felt like the job was for A-listers, but the reality is I just read a lot of them and I can tell that most of these places aren't there.)

Your second line sounds self contradictory, so I'm not 100% sure which imbalance you think is implausible, but I've live in 2 US cities that definitely had a surplus of developers, and 1 that definitely had a surplus of jobs (the latter being the one I believe to be more common). They both happen.

I meant that jobs are in greater supply than developers - developers are rarer than jobs. This is true where I live at least (in London.)

Having said that good jobs seem as rare as good developers...

Re: Dear HN "Who's Hiring" responders

#86
Your advice is basically common sense. I would find it hard to believe that you are actually reaching anyone here, though. :( If you're the type of person to send out the "meh" emails, are you really likely to be the type of person that reads this kind of post and says "AHA! I shouldn't do that?"

Re: Dear HN "Who's Hiring" responders

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

fwiw, I'd take that back if I could. It came out wrong and definitely was not intended to imply entitlement on anyone's behalf. I'm willing to put in crazy effort to find the right fit for our company, and I expect the applicant will do the same to find the right workplace/job. I'm not going to waste my time on someone that doesn't value it. I guess like you said: common courtesy, don't waste my time or yours. Why se…

What you're receiving is a bunch of Minimum Viable Job Applications. It's a rational strategy that maximises coverage and minimises disappointment.

> What you're receiving is a bunch of Minimum Viable Job Applications. It's a rational strategy that maximises coverage and minimises disappointment.

The former is certainly true; the latter, probably not.

I'd simplify to: "It's a rational strategy that maximises coverage."

Re: Dear HN "Who's Hiring" responders

#88
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Rockstars" may be a myth... but developers who are exponentially more effective than others, with more maintainable code are not.

Exponentially more effective, meaning that what Joe writes in 3 years Jim can write in one day?

Okay... more like, Joe can get done in a day what would take Jim a week.. or Joe can do more in a month, than Jim could do in a year. Perhaps the exponent is a bit off.. but more than cumulative output was implied.

A lot of this coming from being able to expect/plan for future enhancements/changes than the one-off output. My own personal reference with this comes from managing several projects with local and overseas teams with varying degrees of experience.

Re: Dear HN "Who's Hiring" responders

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you're receiving is a bunch of Minimum Viable Job Applications. It's a rational strategy that maximises coverage and minimises disappointment.

> What you're receiving is a bunch of Minimum Viable Job Applications. It's a rational strategy that maximises coverage and minimises disappointment. The former is certainly true; the latter, probably not. I'd simplify to: " It's a rational strategy that maximises coverage. "

I meant it when I said "minimises disappointment".

Being rejected is unpleasant in any context; one way to minimise the unpleasantness is to downplay the value of any one interaction.

If you make a big effort, the disappointment is magnified. This is why the first and most important advice to folk on dating sites is "message and move on". Otherwise you're going to get bitter, which is even more self-defeating.

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