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What Major World Cities Look Like at Night, Minus the Light Pollution

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Re: What Major World Cities Look Like at Night, Minus the Light Pollution

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After living in Alaska for several years, I don't really think that is how cities would look at all. With just stars and even the aurora borealis, it is incredible how pure darknesss looks. I really didn't know how much light pollution effected the sky until living there, but even in small towns and other less populated areas the light from various sources changes the skyline.

I spent a summer in Haiti. There were blackouts every night... The skies looked just as beautiful as the ones linked.

Re: What Major World Cities Look Like at Night, Minus the Light Pollution

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post #2

I doubt I'm the only one who read the article with the hope of finding some new technique to remove light pollution from images to show off the stars... and was mildly disappointed to find out the beautiful images were just cut-n-paste jobs (albeit outstanding ones). I'm wondering what kinds of techniques exist for removing light pollution? Spectrum sensitivity? Spectrum filtering on exposure? Post processing?

Tucson, Arizona uses sodium vapor lighting for all its street lighting specifically to allow the nearby observatories easily filter the light pollution.

Similar situation in San Jose, CA: http://mthamilton.ucolick.org/public/lighting/Cooperation2.h...

Re: What Major World Cities Look Like at Night, Minus the Light Pollution

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post #14

If you were in New York City during Hurricane Sandy, in the lower half, at least, you got a taste of this first hand. I had to walk home into the unpowered section of Manhattan every night from work. I took some photos during that time. Unfortunately, as it was still overcast, we never did get a chance to see the stars from downtown Manhattan: http://tumblr.eyeheartnewyork.com/post/37636219209/i-finally...

I remember being disappointed that it was overcast during the blackout. I was so hoping to get a chance to see stars.

Re: What Major World Cities Look Like at Night, Minus the Light Pollution

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post #14

If you were in New York City during Hurricane Sandy, in the lower half, at least, you got a taste of this first hand. I had to walk home into the unpowered section of Manhattan every night from work. I took some photos during that time. Unfortunately, as it was still overcast, we never did get a chance to see the stars from downtown Manhattan: http://tumblr.eyeheartnewyork.com/post/37636219209/i-finally...

An interesting difference between your photos and the renditions linked here is that the buildings in yours are black silhouettes, while the ones here are fairly well lit up. That's the first thing that stuck out at me: if there is no light pollution, what is lighting the foreground buildings? If you look at the Hong Kong photo, for example, it looks like there is a ton of light pollution: all the buildings, plus the surface of the water in the harbor, are lit by a diffuse glow. The only exception is the sky, which is inexplicably not affected by the same glow, clearly giving away the Photoshopping.

Perhaps there's some combination of moon-lit conditions that would produce that effect, but it sure doesn't look right to me.

Re: What Major World Cities Look Like at Night, Minus the Light Pollution

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post #2

I doubt I'm the only one who read the article with the hope of finding some new technique to remove light pollution from images to show off the stars... and was mildly disappointed to find out the beautiful images were just cut-n-paste jobs (albeit outstanding ones). I'm wondering what kinds of techniques exist for removing light pollution? Spectrum sensitivity? Spectrum filtering on exposure? Post processing?

Tucson, Arizona uses sodium vapor lighting for all its street lighting specifically to allow the nearby observatories easily filter the light pollution.

I grew up in Tucson, I do remember amazing stars at night. I also remember seeing an observatory on Mount Lemmon. Never made that connection tho.

Re: What Major World Cities Look Like at Night, Minus the Light Pollution

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post #6
post #5

After living in Alaska for several years, I don't really think that is how cities would look at all. With just stars and even the aurora borealis, it is incredible how pure darknesss looks. I really didn't know how much light pollution effected the sky until living there, but even in small towns and other less populated areas the light from various sources changes the skyline.

Whew. I was wondering if I was the only one who has been out in the mountains and other rural areas, but have never seen a night sky like these.

The summer I was 13 I went to summer camp in Minnesota, and one clear night the counselors took us in a bus out away from the camp, to a hilltop, and we lay on our backs and looked up. I could see the band of the milky way across the sky, and so many colors. I have never seen a night sky like that before or since. It was as vivid as these images depict.

Re: What Major World Cities Look Like at Night, Minus the Light Pollution

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post #14

If you were in New York City during Hurricane Sandy, in the lower half, at least, you got a taste of this first hand. I had to walk home into the unpowered section of Manhattan every night from work. I took some photos during that time. Unfortunately, as it was still overcast, we never did get a chance to see the stars from downtown Manhattan: http://tumblr.eyeheartnewyork.com/post/37636219209/i-finally...

An interesting difference between your photos and the renditions linked here is that the buildings in yours are black silhouettes, while the ones here are fairly well lit up. That's the first thing that stuck out at me: if there is no light pollution, what is lighting the foreground buildings? If you look at the Hong Kong photo, for example, it looks like there is a ton of light pollution: all the buildings, plus the…

On a clear night without light pollution stars provide decent illumination. However, those photo's where clearly Photoshopped.

Re: What Major World Cities Look Like at Night, Minus the Light Pollution

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post #14

If you were in New York City during Hurricane Sandy, in the lower half, at least, you got a taste of this first hand. I had to walk home into the unpowered section of Manhattan every night from work. I took some photos during that time. Unfortunately, as it was still overcast, we never did get a chance to see the stars from downtown Manhattan: http://tumblr.eyeheartnewyork.com/post/37636219209/i-finally...

I was in CT (just outside NYC) when Sandy hit. My area was out of power for about a week, and I remember sitting outside on our porch just after the storm started dying down, looking around and seeing... nothing. I hadn't realized just how many lights there were, even in my tiny little town. As much as that whole experience sucked (being without power, water, etc isn't fun), sitting on the porch and writing a song with my roommate that night is one of my favorite recent memories.

Makes me want to go out to the middle of nowhere for a while, just to experience the Real World (TM) again; it's been a long time.

Re: What Major World Cities Look Like at Night, Minus the Light Pollution

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with light pollution is that the light bounces off of water, dust, and smog in the atmosphere, and back down into your eye/camera. So when you look up, the sky isn't darker, it's a lot brighter! You would need a way to subtract the extra light.

Theoretically, it would basically be just a matter of subtracting the "general" light background, and then apply a deconvolution to the remaining "signal" to reduce blurry areas of light into point-like stars. However, deconvolution is one of those things that's great in theory, but almost impossible to pull off in practice, except under extremely controlled circumstances. And in this case, considering just how much…

There's a lot of that kind of stuff that goes into signal-cleaning in observatories, especially those located near major cities (like the Lick Observatory outside San Jose). But it tends to be pretty site/telescope-specific, full of in-house custom code, so I'm not sure if there's anything good that a regular photographer could use to produce the same effect.
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