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Re: Facebook smartphone with HTC launching soon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"One billion people have a Facebook account." " the average person on Earth does, in fact, use Facebook." The population of the earth exceeds 7B ( http://www.census.gov/population/popclockworld.html ) so in fact the average person on Earth does not use facebook *unless you live in a vacuum where 1/7 counts as half

You have to factor in the number of people who have regular internet access though.

I wouldn't be surprised if more than half of americans ages 18-24 have a facebook account but the original quote was:

"Stop living in a vacuum ... the average person on Earth does, in fact, use Facebook."

No qualifications made for internet access

Re: Facebook smartphone with HTC launching soon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop living in a vacuum. One billion people have a Facebook account. It's possible that your close friends are not in that group, but the average person on Earth does, in fact, use Facebook.

Pedantic correction: One billion people use their Facebook account every month . There are many more than that whose account is inactive, abandoned, or not used on a monthly basis.

pedantic correction: One billion Facebook accounts are accessed every month. No third party established that each account corresponds to a unique person.

Re: Facebook smartphone with HTC launching soon

#43

I thought Open Handset Alliance partners couldn't sell devices running a true Android fork without losing Google as a partner? How will that come into play here?

I'm pretty sure they (Facebook) will lose the ability to call this an "Android" phone - and clearly they won't be entitled to the Google Suite of apps.

Further than that... I don't think there are any repercussions.

Re: Facebook smartphone with HTC launching soon

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I thought Open Handset Alliance partners couldn't sell devices running a true Android fork without losing Google as a partner? How will that come into play here?

Facebook has been known to partner with Microsoft. It's possible that the phone will be full of Bing.

On the other hand, Microsoft is trying to promote their own phone OS, and this phone is clearly DOA if it doesn't run Android apps, but I can't see Microsoft liking the idea of promoting the Android ecosystem.

It's kind of funny actually. You could see how it could make sense for Microsoft and Facebook to work together and create some Facebook Phone running WP8, except they each probably think the other is going to fail and don't want to board a sinking ship.

Re: Facebook smartphone with HTC launching soon

#45
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to factor in the number of people who have regular internet access though.

I wouldn't be surprised if more than half of americans ages 18-24 have a facebook account but the original quote was: "Stop living in a vacuum ... the average person on Earth does, in fact, use Facebook." No qualifications made for internet access

Who cares about the qualification. Your entire premise is just ridiculous.

You can't just take your single data point (my close friends aren't on Facebook) and then extrapolate it (most people aren't on Facebook).

Re: Facebook smartphone with HTC launching soon

#46
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pedantic correction: One billion people use their Facebook account every month . There are many more than that whose account is inactive, abandoned, or not used on a monthly basis.

pedantic correction: One billion Facebook accounts are accessed every month. No third party established that each account corresponds to a unique person.

Considering the vast amount of complaints towards Facebook regarding privacy concerns, do you really think it would be in the best interest of those users to allow third parties access to all of their data to "verify" that?

Re: Facebook smartphone with HTC launching soon

#47

I thought Open Handset Alliance partners couldn't sell devices running a true Android fork without losing Google as a partner? How will that come into play here?

I'm pretty sure they (Facebook) will lose the ability to call this an "Android" phone - and clearly they won't be entitled to the Google Suite of apps. Further than that... I don't think there are any repercussions.

Apart from Maps which is going to be interesting the rest of the Google Suite is easily replaceable.

Re: Facebook smartphone with HTC launching soon

#48
post #40

I really wish something like diaspora would replace facebook. Any ideas how to work towards this?

get the average person to care?

currently anyone in the world on pretty much ANY device can access, register an account, and connect fast and easy to their nearby friends on Facebook. The FB philosophy is to "make the world more open and connected" , not "help connect relatively wealthy, tech oriented people." Diaspora has a number of significant hurdles it needs to tackle to just be in the conversation:

1) Ease of access from any device -- can some rando in Egypt open up a 'dumb' phone, sign into his account, and enter the political discourse relatively easily? Twitter is getting there on this account, and it's why Twitter is in the conversation.

2) Scale -- currently everyone and their mom (and dad, grandparents, cousins, long-distant alumni friends, etc.) is on Facebook. For a social network to "replace Facebook" in your words, their needs to be a solid value proposition over Facebook that causes huge droves of people to move away or switch. Currently there's little -- maybe privacy controls could be easier to use, but Zuck himself said that users control their data already: "Our philosophy is that people own their information and control who they share it with." Other than that -- why would the average person put in the "activation energy" over inertia to switch, other than "it's shiny and cool?"

In all Diaspora is an interesting project, but it has little differentiating value prop

Re: Facebook smartphone with HTC launching soon

#49
post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

pedantic correction: One billion Facebook accounts are accessed every month. No third party established that each account corresponds to a unique person.

Considering the vast amount of complaints towards Facebook regarding privacy concerns, do you really think it would be in the best interest of those users to allow third parties access to all of their data to "verify" that?

1B accounts != 1B sensate human beings. thats my point, and many people seem to conflate the two

Re: Facebook smartphone with HTC launching soon

#50
post #9

Personal disclosure - I'm not interested in a Facebook phone in the slightest (mostly for privacy concerns). I think this is an interesting concept. Let's assume it is in fact a total fork of Android, in essence, a "Facebook Phone". I really think (as big as Facebook is) they will have a hard time with this. I'm not sure there is space for another type of device - even if it is a massive consumer brand. I get the sen…

A big part of buying behavior for phones is the carrier retail outlets pushing the phones onto potential buyers.

Facebook, like Amazon, is a company deriving revenue from its ads and content (virtual currency, etc). They could afford to sell the phones to carriers "at cost", at which point the carriers will have a HUGE incentive to sell the phones. Now of course, if they sell at 0 margin to the carriers, HTC won't be happy. But HTC is not doing well at all in terms of phone sales, and perhaps they'd be willing to sell the phone to carriers at very low margins (kind of like how LG, lagging in sales and design inspiration, partnered up with Google and sold a device, the Nexus 4, for very very cheap).

In such a case, FB phones could actually sell a decent amount.

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