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Announcing HackStars

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Re: Announcing HackStars

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$6,000/founder and as many 0.375 FTE slaves as they can round up - MBAs around the globe rejoice, TechStars has solved the "I've got this amazing idea, if only I could find some developers" problem.

How many do you think they'll round up? If I was fresh out of college and didn't need any money I'd just start my own and hang out at the meetups instead of working for free for someone who may or may not have a clue.

Re: Announcing HackStars

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Jeff said it best when he was asked the question at an event in Boston, "What is better, YC or TechStars?" Jeff's answer: "You can teach a hacker business, but you can't teach a businessman how to hack". 'nuff said.

Ah yes...there's something magical about hackers that means they can learn business, but "businessmen" can never learn the mystical arts of hacking. Give me a break. Actually, rather than repeat myself, here's my comment from a couple weeks ago: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=515978

Magical hits it on the head, except not the way you think. Magical thinking is what you can't do and be a good hacker. Magical thinking won't stop you from being a good business person with good instincts for opportunities who understands the bottom line, or from being a great sales guy who can close faster than a bank at 4.

The subset of hackers who can learn "business" is greater than the subset of business people who can be hackers because the particular style of thinking needed to succeed as a hacker has a unique rigor and need for persistence, and is comparatively rare.

This is true for comparing any less common skill to a more common one. The subset of NFL quarterbacks who could be good programmers is surely proportionally greater than the subset of programmers who could be NFL quarterbacks.

It isn't all about arrogance (although I don't deny arrogance is a factor).

Re: Announcing HackStars

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Jeff said it best when he was asked the question at an event in Boston, "What is better, YC or TechStars?" Jeff's answer: "You can teach a hacker business, but you can't teach a businessman how to hack". 'nuff said.

Ah yes...there's something magical about hackers that means they can learn business, but "businessmen" can never learn the mystical arts of hacking. Give me a break. Actually, rather than repeat myself, here's my comment from a couple weeks ago: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=515978

It's not so much that there's a difference in the types of people as in the types of knowledge. Business has a large overlap with common sense. At least, the kind of business you need to understand in a startup does. Whereas hacking is a pretty specialized skill. So a hacker who needs to do something business related faces a nice smooth learning curve, whereas a non-hacker business person who needs to get a technical problem solved faces a step function.

Re: Announcing HackStars

#74

Jeff said it best when he was asked the question at an event in Boston, "What is better, YC or TechStars?" Jeff's answer: "You can teach a hacker business, but you can't teach a businessman how to hack". 'nuff said.

Ah yes...there's something magical about hackers that means they can learn business, but "businessmen" can never learn the mystical arts of hacking. Give me a break. Actually, rather than repeat myself, here's my comment from a couple weeks ago: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=515978

The subset of hackers who can learn "business" is greater than the subset of business people who can be hackers

This is a common notion but after years of working in the software business I'm not convinced it is true at all. The successful biz guys I've known could easily learn some subset of programming. Most of the programmers I've known could not be a successful business person if their lives depended on it. YMMV.

Re: Announcing HackStars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes...there's something magical about hackers that means they can learn business, but "businessmen" can never learn the mystical arts of hacking. Give me a break. Actually, rather than repeat myself, here's my comment from a couple weeks ago: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=515978

The subset of hackers who can learn "business" is greater than the subset of business people who can be hackers This is a common notion but after years of working in the software business I'm not convinced it is true at all. The successful biz guys I've known could easily learn some subset of programming. Most of the programmers I've known could not be a successful business person if their lives depended on it. YMMV.

Business is a broad arena, but if you were to narrow it down to "sales" I might agree with you.

Re: Announcing HackStars

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I guess there is a real market niche that ycombinator flushed out-

namely, Impedance matching between -

  a) investors with too much cash and too little time for small startups
 
  b) startups who don't need or want large amounts of cash

You'd think it would be more efficient to cut out the middleman, but I guess the aggregator / 'broker' serves a valuable role, as a retailer.

Re: Announcing HackStars

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Mind you... it might be much better use of time than jobhunting.

but then you'd have to seriously compare with Open Source contribution - a faster way to learn, smarter people to work with and more social benefit...

OSS work likely has even more commercial potential...

Re: Announcing HackStars

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Let's have a TV show, I think in the US they are called "American Idol"? In Germany we have "Germany's Next Topmodel" and "Germany's next Superstar", both concepts could be easily extended into a show that portrays the making of a HackStar.

Re: Announcing HackStars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually I know quite a few people in my unpaid internship (programming) who don't have "real" jobs and are not exactly rich either. What they do is learn the trade by day, and go home at night to contract out their work on e-lance or something. It's basically a homework assignment that pays for your education.

Well, that's a good plan. But it doesn't exactly erase the unfairness of the practice. Lack of sleep and stress will cost you both happiness and performance, though you may not recognize that when you're nineteen ;)

How is something consensual unfair? If a person places a low value on their time or a high value on the experience that will be gained, it seems like it might be a reasonable trade. This seems especially true if the person giving up their time isn't in dire straits... i.e. If you offer to pay pennies and breadcrumbs to a starving man, that might not be cool. If you offer a good unpiad experience to a hacker/designer who is otherwise darned employable, it doesn't seem evil at all.

If I lived in the Valley and had an opportunity to hang out at YC dinners in exchange for a bit of free work, there was probably a time in my life when I would've taken that opportunity.

Random other note: cool that you play the banjo! I've recently begun teaching myself the fiddle.

Re: Announcing HackStars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in an unpaid internship right now and I love it. The employer actually hires most of their talent through the unpaid internship program. They get to see if the people who do the internship are really there because they want to learn and contribute regardless of monetary compensation. I know everyone can't do this because at some point you need compensation, but the arrangement has taught me a great deal about how…

I know everyone can't do this because at some point you need compensation Which is why using unpaid internships to screen your hires is unethical. It's an artfully disguised form of class discrimination. Lots of very smart and hardworking people cannot afford to work for free. Apparently those people are at a severe disadvantage when applying to work at your company. And it's not as if unpaid internships offer financ…

"But in general work should be paid for."

What about equity? Most stock options end up being valueless. I'd say that a free summer at TechStars (or YC for that matter) would have a greater chance of tracing to some monetary reward than equity in most startups.

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