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Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort of Made It Worse

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Re: Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort of Made It Worse

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Seems like a hard problem to solve. Sending people to do product promotional is perfectly legitimate depending on the type of event. Even if you weren't deliberately targeting a male audience with attractive females (although I'm sure that was the case), odds are that if you were recruiting for that kind of work 90% would be outgoing and attractive young women. Just like recruiting programmers will get you 90% geeky…

I agree that it's a hard problem, but I think you're looking at the wrong one. The problematic assumption here is that a given woman was paid to be there. This was a reasonable assumption on the part of the other attendees, only because there are so few women in the games industry. So rather than the problem-to-tackle being a cat-and-mouse with vendors trying to get the most-effective promotions' staff to the venue,…

I don't think that assumption is safe of the women who aren't in costume. I think they're just female employees in non-technical roles. They're not eye candy.

That's what I find so strange about the original post. She's assuming they're there as eye candy and they sure don't seem to be. It's odd to hear a woman assume that other women (especially since they're pretty average) are there for their looks. The few I've talked to were far too knowledgeable to be some sort of incognito booth babes.

Booth babes are usually given a few talking points and know little to nothing else about the product beyond that. They pass you off to the nerd the second you appear interested.

Re: Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort of Made It Worse

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Because it totally doesn't matter if the person trying to sell you something is good looking or not.

I completely disagree. I'm not happy with the situation, but it is what it is. I hired a very pretty, and smart, lady to promote my board game at a small convention. The crowd was HUGE when she was doing her job, and missing when I had a less attractive female friend doing the same thing.

> and missing when I had a less attractive female friend doing the same thing.

Ouch! Let's hope she doesn't read HN!

Re: Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort of Made It Worse

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I can see how this could be a significant problem for women at GDC. I'm a guy who has been going to GDC for over a decade. Pretty much every year there are a few promoters using fairly aggressive "stealth" tactics to hook people walking around the expo floor. As in, reasonably attractive woman in plain clothes glances at your badge, waits a bit, then walks up quickly saying "Hey, Corysama! Good to see you! Hey, what do you think about..." After a few of these highly awkward encounters, the promoters have pretty effectively trained many of the men to insta-dismiss reasonably attractive women in plain clothes at the show.

Re: Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort of Made It Worse

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post #13

Seems like a hard problem to solve. Sending people to do product promotional is perfectly legitimate depending on the type of event. Even if you weren't deliberately targeting a male audience with attractive females (although I'm sure that was the case), odds are that if you were recruiting for that kind of work 90% would be outgoing and attractive young women. Just like recruiting programmers will get you 90% geeky…

Are PR people really 90% attractive young women? I would be very surprised to find that out.

Its an interesting human trait that people who are attractive to us are able to sell us things easier than people who don't fit that quality.

Heck, an attractive woman can stop more people on the street and ask directions, and the person they stop will spend more time talking to them and helping them than they would with an average person.

And I think this behavior is true for men and women. It's not just a small segment of society that behaves that way, it's all of society.

So yes, it's true in PR and Advertising in general.

Re: Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort of Made It Worse

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post #40

I can't imagine how frustrating that must be. But I hate the concept of giving up fighting for yourself. Why not put a few people in their place? If that's just not in your nature, fair enough; but I say make a few guys feel like idiots by stepping up to the plate with your expertise. If they don't like it, that's their problem. And if that fails, I like davidrobert's idea as well -- maybe wear a shirt that has a rea…

OP here: I can put people in their place all day, but if my goal was to make friends, that's not the best foot to start out on. And yes, I have a lot of geeky T-shirts. I don't like the idea of having to dress a certain way to be taken seriously, it seems very "un-engineering."

Fair enough, but don't give up! If someone is going to be put off by your knowledge, that's probably not someone you'd want to spend time with anyways. I hate the concept of having to pretend that you don't have a wealth of knowledge to offer just because you don't match a stereotype.

The shirt comment was more cheeky, not intended as a serious recommendation =)

Re: Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort of Made It Worse

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Lets make it really, really simple. 1. Do not hire eye candy as eye candy. Of either sex. Dressed up or dressed down. 2. Product promotion staff should be clearly labeled as such.

>1. Do not hire eye candy as eye candy. Of either sex. Dressed up or dressed down. Eye candy is extremely effective in marketing. That's like saying "don't hire smart programmers". Why would companies handicap their marketing efforts?

Sure, that's why you retaliate against such advertisers. Boycotts, public campaigns, etc. Through such efforts, corporations have become noticeably less overt about using people of color and women as inferior objects for the amusement of the dominating classes.

Re: Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort of Made It Worse

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post #60

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Sorry, putting people in their place is probably a bit strong for what I'm trying to say. What I ultimately mean is, it doesn't take long to prove you know what you're talking about in a conversation. Sure, it sucks that she has to do that at all, but I would personally think it's worth it versus the alternative options of just staying silent or playing the role of "just along for the ride with my technical boyfriend…

I feel like you're really missing the point. She did that, and it became tiresome. Then she wished she didn't have to do that, and wrote this post explaining why.

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Re: Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort of Made It Worse

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I completely disagree. I'm not happy with the situation, but it is what it is. I hired a very pretty, and smart, lady to promote my board game at a small convention. The crowd was HUGE when she was doing her job, and missing when I had a less attractive female friend doing the same thing.

> and missing when I had a less attractive female friend doing the same thing. Ouch! Let's hope she doesn't read HN!

She doesn't but she knows she's not a booth babe model. And also knows that I'm not either.

Re: Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort of Made It Worse

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It was an interesting blog post, that puts a new spin on the Booth Babe controversy. Thanks for sharing. Saying that she was less uncomfortable with a bunch of drunk guys yelling "take your shirt off!" at Defcon than at GDC is saying something...

Re: Booth Babes, Street Clothes, and GDC: Thanks But You sort of Made It Worse

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Hey guys, Katy here, just wanted to thank everybody for the support and super insightful feedback. I will continue to edit the post and post here with clarifications, mostly after work hours :)

And yes, I know everybody's probably sick of gender issues, and that's why I almost didn't bring it up, but I hoped it would be a chance for a good civil discussion, and I'm really glad to see it turning into that. Hopefully someday soon everything can be awesome, we'll never have occasion to talk about this garbage again, and we can all go back to nerding. I can't tell you how much I am looking forward to that day.

But, seriously, the civility and respect here have totally blown me away. Really proud to be a part of this community. Thanks everybody, you give a lady hope!

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