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Paypal To Drop VMware From 80,000 Servers and Replace It With OpenStack

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Re: Paypal To Drop VMware From 80,000 Servers and Replace It With OpenStack

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Is anyone in the startup world using OpenStack? If so, how is it working for you? I'm always skeptical of abstractions but it'd be great to hear about any real world experience.

Yes.

It runs.

Its a VM. I can add and delete and image. Remotely.

Its admin system is all REST(ish) and I did have a fully working auto-build system till they changed it and I have to rebuild (known API breaker, well telegraphed, unlikely to be more, I was just lazy)

Re: Paypal To Drop VMware From 80,000 Servers and Replace It With OpenStack

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Is that 80,000 physical or virtual servers though? That ratio could easily be 10:1 if it is the VM count which is more what I would be expecting.

The article says 10,000 servers, so maybe there's an 8:1 ratio

Unless I read it wrong the article says 10,000 servers going live this summer with the plan being to replace all 80,000 servers in total.

edit: just noticed they sneak "and eBay" into the 80,000 total server count. Makes a little more sense now :)

Re: Paypal To Drop VMware From 80,000 Servers and Replace It With OpenStack

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"VMware’s RabbitMQ, an open source middleware-type application deployment project, ..." Perhaps it's mean to poke fun at reporters, but this is pretty brazen.

Not quite sure what you're getting at here.

RabbitMQ is a messaging queue, Erlang based, not sure if it is owned by VMWare. I get the idea that either it is not owned by them, or the description is wrong enough

Oddly quite a few build systems are now turning to MQ's for build systems - beats make and jenkins it seems

Re: Paypal To Drop VMware From 80,000 Servers and Replace It With OpenStack

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If I'm correct, Openstack is different from Openshift and Openshift actually runs on top of Openstack, right? It's more like an appserver that can run Ruby on Rails, Play framework, etc., right?

Because very often I tend to get confused between the two..because of the vague similarity in their names..

Re: Paypal To Drop VMware From 80,000 Servers and Replace It With OpenStack

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite sure what you're getting at here.

RabbitMQ is a messaging queue, Erlang based, not sure if it is owned by VMWare. I get the idea that either it is not owned by them, or the description is wrong enough Oddly quite a few build systems are now turning to MQ's for build systems - beats make and jenkins it seems

rabbitmq.com says "Copyright (C) 2013 VMware, Inc" and http://www.rabbitmq.com/mpl.html says "The Original Code is RabbitMQ. The Initial Developer of the Original Code is VMware, Ltd."

So yeah, it's owned by VMware.

Re: Paypal To Drop VMware From 80,000 Servers and Replace It With OpenStack

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"VMware’s RabbitMQ, an open source middleware-type application deployment project, ..." Perhaps it's mean to poke fun at reporters, but this is pretty brazen.

Not quite sure what you're getting at here.

More than being wrong, the description is almost entirely without content. "Open source": true. "middleware-type": true, but doesn't mean much. "application deployment": not right, but also pretty vague itself.

The text straight from the results page tells an interested party that it's an "enterprise messaging system", which should be good enough for any blog on forbes.com. I really have no idea where they got the gobbledygook that they used.

Re: Paypal To Drop VMware From 80,000 Servers and Replace It With OpenStack

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite sure what you're getting at here.

RabbitMQ is a messaging queue, Erlang based, not sure if it is owned by VMWare. I get the idea that either it is not owned by them, or the description is wrong enough Oddly quite a few build systems are now turning to MQ's for build systems - beats make and jenkins it seems

> quite a few build systems are now turning to MQ's for build systems

References? I'm curious as to who's doing this and why. I'm trying to think of a reason and not coming up with much.

Re: Paypal To Drop VMware From 80,000 Servers and Replace It With OpenStack

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If I'm correct, Openstack is different from Openshift and Openshift actually runs on top of Openstack, right? It's more like an appserver that can run Ruby on Rails, Play framework, etc., right? Because very often I tend to get confused between the two..because of the vague similarity in their names..

Yes, they're different.

OpenShift Origin is a PaaS, as you describe. You generally run it on top of an IaaS such as OpenStack, although the hosted OpenShift actually runs on AWS (which is also an Iaas).

Re: Paypal To Drop VMware From 80,000 Servers and Replace It With OpenStack

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post #14

If I'm correct, Openstack is different from Openshift and Openshift actually runs on top of Openstack, right? It's more like an appserver that can run Ruby on Rails, Play framework, etc., right? Because very often I tend to get confused between the two..because of the vague similarity in their names..

OpenShift (https://www.openshift.com/) is a PaaS, made by RedHat. OpenStack (http://www.openstack.org/) is an IaaS cloud platform, maintained as an open source offering by Rackspace, and originally created by a partnership between NASA and Rackspace.

OpenShift could theoretically run in an OpenStack cloud, as just about anything could, but the two products are in no way related to my knowledge.

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