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Re: 22 and no life

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Honestly, probably one of the best things you could do is join the military. If you are tech savvy, then chances are that you can score high enough on the ASVAB (entry test) in order to get into a really high speed career field. I joined the Navy, became an arabic linguist, left after a few years, and got a programming job as a contractor for 102k/year. Here's the process you're looking at if you want to take a simil…

I wish I had gotten good, detailed advice like this 25 yrs ago. If only. :-(

Re: 22 and no life

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My first chief, who is a great inspiration in my life, was once a recruiter. I asked him how he felt about recruiting, and if he had to lie to get people to join. His response was this: "I never had to lie to anyone about joining the military. The secret is that no one walks into my office if everything is going right in their life. I just find what that problem is, and figure out how the military can solve it." Recr…

Some recruiters will tell you flat-out lies. I had three (two from one branch, one from another) try to convince me that breaking my arm twice as a youth wasn't worth telling the processors. The pair that tag-teamed me were conveniently ignoring the framed statement in their very office that said that lying about anything during your recruitment process was a violation of the UCMJ. I really hope those three guys were…

It's very important that everything medical before and during your career is documented. First off, a lot of the physical and mental stress down the road can exacerbate previous conditions and lead to more major problems. Secondly, everything that occurs and is documented in your military health record can be treated for free by any VA medical facility for the rest of your life, even if you don't have health insurance.

That being said, certain common diagnoses will preclude you from entering service: ADD/ADHD, bi-polar disorder, bad knees, fibromyalgia, among other things. Obesity is kind of a no-brainer thing -- there's a maximum body fat percentage and height/weight ratio.

If it's in your health record right now, then it should definitely be declared, in my opinion. You'd only be doing yourself a disservice later on by not doing so.

Re: 22 and no life

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Yes, I absolutely agree with this. Too many people rush into life-changing decisions like this. It's also nice to hear another perspective on recruiters. Mine really did lie to my parents, however. We met with my parents, he told them one thing, then we left to go back to the recruiting office and he said "what I told your parents wasn't true, I just didn't think they would say yes otherwise".

It's a common thing when you're in the military to toss around disparaging comments about the person that recruited you. Personally, everything my recruiter had said was true: "When they ask you if you want to be a Nuc, say no." -- he could have got a lot of good will at his recruiting office if I chose to be a nuclear tech, but he was absolutely right in telling me this. They never came to ask me, because I had neve…

I could see how that's the case. If you're referring to what I said, you'll note that I said nothing about my own recruiter other than that he lied to my parents to increase the chances of them agreeing to let me go, because I was a minor. Which he admitted to doing.

Re: 22 and no life

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Work anywhere you can until you can save up about $5000. Then go to Australia on the working holiday visa. You can make $16/hr picking tomatoes or as a barista or $25 an hour shuffling stuff around at a building site. Save $20K while enjoying life, then move to California and do a 2 year degree at a community college for $36 per credit. Get good grades then transfer to a UC to complete a bachelor's at in state tuitio…

I used to work in the canneries in Alaska during the summers off from college. They pay you minimum wage but the long hours means most of your work is at the OT rate. It's crap work, will put some stress on your body but clearing 10k for a couple months work was not impossible and you get to meet a lot of interesting characters. This was 20 years ago though - not sure what things are like now.

You can always get a job working in an Alaskan cannery. Most coastal towns will have one. It is not crap work -- it's fish guts work. They will probably pay minimum wage, which is $7.25 an hour at the moment, but generally you can work as much OT as you like. Many canneries will pay your way from Seattle, and give you room and board as well -- for certain values of "room" and "board".

If you're lucky and social, you can find your way onto a fishing boat; deckhands will usually get a percentage of the catch ($$$), and the work is easier.

I've been through Yakima a time or two before. A gritty wind blew continually -- it seemed like the kind of place where not even the dust wanted to settle. My sympathies to the poster.

Re: 22 and no life

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I was never really that into the Microsoft world but others have mentioned places to look for OpenSource projects for those platforms. There is no reason you can't move platforms or languages though. If you know C# or Asp.Net you know enough to get started in ruby, python, perl, or any other language. You don't have to limit yourself in this industry.

That is true. Funny you mention Ruby as I have just completed Code School's Try Ruby course this weekend! However, how could I make any particularly meaningful contribution in a language I am just learning? I feel that any issues or new features in an open source project probably require some fairly advanced knowledge, no?

A lot of my blogging at that time was about what I was learning. In fact those posts were the most instrumental in getting me the job in Chicago. My blog showed up for a lot of howto searches for perl. Which got me noticed by a company needing perl programmers.

Blog about what you are learning. Your contribution will be helping others learn from your experiences.

Re: 22 and no life

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I was never really that into the Microsoft world but others have mentioned places to look for OpenSource projects for those platforms. There is no reason you can't move platforms or languages though. If you know C# or Asp.Net you know enough to get started in ruby, python, perl, or any other language. You don't have to limit yourself in this industry.

That is true. Funny you mention Ruby as I have just completed Code School's Try Ruby course this weekend! However, how could I make any particularly meaningful contribution in a language I am just learning? I feel that any issues or new features in an open source project probably require some fairly advanced knowledge, no?

You'd be surprised what you can tackle even when learning a new language. A lot of the bugs in an open source project aren't unfixed because they are tricky but because no has had time to work on them.

You're most valuable contribution will be time and willingness to tackle something.

Re: 22 and no life

#147
Scary.

I was literally where you are now when I was 22. I moved to the big city, homeless, scraped together cash working retail to put myself through one of those seedy, "recording arts" programs. Then I took out some pretty big loans to start my record label and begin living the dream. Boy was I out of touch because it didn't take long for that dream to come crashing down. Facing reality was one of the hardest things I had to do.

First, obligatory advice that ironically won't make sense until you're older and have your own story to tell: you're young and you'll get through this and you'll get old and have your own story to tell. Don't sweat it too much.

It took me almost nine years to pay off all the debt I had accumulated during that hard time. It was horrible at first. However you can beat it if you put your mind to it.

My life started turning around when I was living in a tiny room in the basement of a large boarding house in the worst part of the city. Here's how I did it:

1. I created a cash flow spreadsheet and budget. I stuck to it. The nice thing about having the cash flow though was that I could see what my finances would look like in the future. This helped me to plan things and having that really put my mind at ease because I could visualize the light at the end of the tunnel. It would take me a while but I eventually added an entertainment expense.

2. I don't recommend this long-term but when things got thin I learned how to make decent food on the cheap: lots of rice, bulk dried beans, and as much fresh produce as I could afford. I'd make a tonne of stir-fry and eat that throughout the week. It's important to eat well so the first thing I tried to expand was my food budget... this doesn't include eating out.

3. Snowball those debt payments. Pay the minimum on everything except the most important one. Put everything you can after you're most basic needs are met and the minimums are all paid out. Once that one is paid off, keep going. Pick the next highest one and don't shirk and think you have more money to start going out or something. Just make the payments bigger on the next one... they snowball into one another. After you've knocked a couple of the big ones out then start giving yourself a small weekly budget to go out (and learn to make that small budget stretch... I liked going to bars with friends and we found all of the places that had $2 beer nights and went out on those nights).

3. The best thing that happened to me was finding a job through a friend at a local hosting company making websites. It wasn't anything glamorous but it was my first salaried job and I did everything I could to land it: I brushed up on HTML, CSS, Perl, PHP... I made a rather simple little blog script that I could show them before I went into that interview. I spent as much time as I could online and at the library doing research and taking notes. I think it helped because I got that job and I hadn't done any web programming for a few years at that point.

4. I didn't stop pushing myself. I got better at what I did for a living a little bit each day. I tried learning one new thing each week. And after a couple of years I started to get calls from recruiters and have moved up from there.

(It turns out I love CS and probably should have gone to university instead of trying to be a rock star, but you live and learn)

I'm not sure if any of this will work for you but if there's anything I hope you will take away from this comment it's knowing that there's still plenty of time to work your way out of your situation and get to where you want to be. Don't spend time reading about the over-achievers who've been handed the right opportunities at the right time... and don't listen to the claim that it was because of their drive, determination, and all that. Just use your hustle and keep at it. Most of all, smile once in a while and remember that it's just life. It happens to all of us.

Re: 22 and no life

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I've been where you are right now. Only I was married with 4 kids and one on the way. No job, No home, No degree, and what looked like No future. I don't know what your exact circumstances are but here is how I went from there to working for Google. 1. I got exposure. I hung out online with open source developers and participated. I did stuff in perl and blogged about it. 2. I did whatever I needed to to survive and…

That is an awesome story, good job Zaphar! You make it sound easy and it can be. Just keep taking the next step, keep learning, moving forward and getting feedback and almost anyone can take themselves somewhere.

What is you blog BTW? It's not listed on your profile or twitter.

Re: 22 and no life

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post #148
post #28

I've been where you are right now. Only I was married with 4 kids and one on the way. No job, No home, No degree, and what looked like No future. I don't know what your exact circumstances are but here is how I went from there to working for Google. 1. I got exposure. I hung out online with open source developers and participated. I did stuff in perl and blogged about it. 2. I did whatever I needed to to survive and…

That is an awesome story, good job Zaphar! You make it sound easy and it can be. Just keep taking the next step, keep learning, moving forward and getting feedback and almost anyone can take themselves somewhere. What is you blog BTW? It's not listed on your profile or twitter.

I don't update it as much anymore but it's at http://jeremy.marzhillstudios.com/

Re: 22 and no life

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Work anywhere you can until you can save up about $5000. Then go to Australia on the working holiday visa. You can make $16/hr picking tomatoes or as a barista or $25 an hour shuffling stuff around at a building site. Save $20K while enjoying life, then move to California and do a 2 year degree at a community college for $36 per credit. Get good grades then transfer to a UC to complete a bachelor's at in state tuitio…

I like the Australia idea, but I'd save up $10k before departing. Relocating to another country is expensive. I suggest to find some freelance programming jobs online. He could make some money writing articles about the stock market for SeekingAlpha.com. In terms of education, I think he should do some courses with Coursera or one of the other free online institutions.

Make that $20k the cost of living in Australia (especially the Sydney or Melbourne areas) is very high at the moment. $2.5kAUD/month is average for a single bed apartment.

Also getting a rental unit without previous references from Australian landlords/agents is particularly difficult.

Be prepared to spend out a lot of $$$ getting set up.

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