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Re: The Summly deal makes no sense

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post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought the point was that Yahoo, a public company, was throwing away 30 million for no apparent gain.

The are buying traction. That's 30 million dollars worth of it. It could make them back that much money by getting people to start using Yahoo again.

I have no faith whatsoever that Yahoo will productize or promote anything they create and there's no real evidence that anyone else should think that either.

Re: The Summly deal makes no sense

#152
post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought the point was that Yahoo, a public company, was throwing away 30 million for no apparent gain.

That's the part I don't understand capitalism: on one hand, big corps try to save every dime by downsizing and outsourcing, and on the other hand, they pour money like this.

It's a control issue under the guise of a cost-saving effort. Contractors and vendors are easier to hire and fire compared to employees. Generous advances in worker productivity mean that the same permanent internal workforce is no longer required.

Re: The Summly deal makes no sense

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Any open source equivalents to Summly's "pure rocket science" summarization technology?

Good discussion on this subject here: https://www.linkedin.com/groupItem?view=&gid=131222&... And here http://www.quora.com/What-are-some-good-open-source-text-sum... The best candidate is MEAD http://www.summarization.com/mead/

Thanks!

Re: The Summly deal makes no sense

#154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the entire thing as someone being jealous and trying to explain that away by picking at the deal.

Sometimes you just want to make sense of something that seems flabbergastingly stupid. Hell, it's Yahoo's money to burn, but it's not jealousy, it's confusion. It would be interesting to read any sort of explanation, not that we'll get one. But this acquisition is eerily reminiscent of about.me's and is getting a similar level of scorn from us. Big, dead, web 1.0 company purchases virtually worthless startup for no a…

"Big, dead, web 1.0 company"

You do realize, Yahoo remains one of the most-visited sites on the Internet? It drives an enormous amount of traffic.

By our standards, Yahoo may not be an exciting or innovative company. But it's in no way dead.

Re: The Summly deal makes no sense

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Normally whenever an acquisition happens, I avoid these types of posts on HN because there are often people in the comments (and even in the posts themselves) calling out the acquired company saying “I could have done this” or “Acquirer could have built Acquired Company in a day” but, this one deserves a reply.

The reason why this deserves a reply is that the OP’s post does not really contain any facts rather, it contains assumptions (either the OP’s assumptions or others).

For instance:

   “Yahoo screens the employees, and tells the founder that 2 of them passed” 
AND

  “Summly says dang, only 2 out of 5 passed?”
The article the OP links to, to cite this actually states[1]

  “In addition, only two of Summly’s employees will go to Yahoo with D’Aloisio”
There is no mention of anyone failing a ‘test’, all it states that only that 2 of Summly’s employees will be joining Yahoo alongside the founder. Now when OMGPOP were acquired by Zynga, one of their employees didn’t join Zynga[2] and that employee chose not to join Zynga – the same may have happened to Summly’s other employees as well (something that we do not know).

Moreover, the OP calls out Yahoo for acquiring Summly for $30M and citing that,

  “Summly says no, $50m is our minimum. We need to pay back our generous investors”
However, there has been no confirmation of an acquisition price – there are rumours which place the amount in that ballpark and rumours which say the price was 90% cash. Now, when startups get acquired, they do not get acquired for one price (as Media outlets etc will report) rather, amongst other things there’s an earn out for employees/founder(s) and money to cap table. These things are often complicated and can be very complicated which is why, I am not criticizing media outlets for reporting a single price – in particular these Media outlets love the “millionaire” stories because it gives them a ton of page views - although, when someone is calling out a company for selling for an unconfirmed price by, saying that it is ridiculous – these things need highlighting.

Likewise, the OP concludes with:

  “The craziest thing is that there are a lot of really qualified, CS-beefy teams doing really amazing things in the mobile news/discovery space these days - and that would definitely take a $30m acquisition offer or less. I don't really understand why they picked this one”
First of all, as I already highlighted no one knows that Yahoo gave the people at Summly a test – and if they did, if the employees who are not joining either rejected the role or failed the test. Likewise nor do we know an official price for the company of which flaws I already mentioned in regards to a single price.

However, what we do know is that Yahoo acquired Summly (which is shutting down although, some of it will be incorporated into Yahoo)[3] and regardless if you agree with it or not, they acquired them for a price which is suitable to Yahoo and Summly's investors/team.

Either way, I wish Nick D’Aloisio and the rest of the Summly team all the best and congratulations on your exit to Yahoo.

[1] http://allthingsd.com/20130325/yahoo-paid-30-million-in-cash...

[2] http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/167244/Turning_down_Zynga...

[3] http://ycorpblog.com/2013/03/25/yahoo-to-acquire-summly/

Re: The Summly deal makes no sense

#156
post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought the point was that Yahoo, a public company, was throwing away 30 million for no apparent gain.

The are buying traction. That's 30 million dollars worth of it. It could make them back that much money by getting people to start using Yahoo again.

Maybe.

But:

1- Is the traction convertible to any Yahoo properties?

2- Are the 1 million "downloads" legitimate interested users? Do any of them still use the app?

3- Did the "traction" come from paying firms to get them to the top of app store(s)?

I assume Yahoo knows more about this stuff than I do, and I'm not a Yahoo shareholder. Still, I didn't get the impression that the article was just complaining about rich teenagers.

Re: The Summly deal makes no sense

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For some who need perspective: Right now, somewhere in the world, a child is being born into an uberly rich family. That child will grow up to inherit millions for absolutely no work. He'll live the good life full of yachts and private jets. Right now, somewhere in the world, there is a party happening full of gorgeous wealthy people who need not lift a finger to attain the luxuries that they have. Their success is o…

I thought the point was that Yahoo, a public company, was throwing away 30 million for no apparent gain.

Actually this is a very common scheme in Silicon Valley -- public companies "throwing away" money on relatively worthless startups. It is a good way to siphon money out of the stock market and into the pockets of VCs and founders -- and I would not be surprised if the person who pushes the acquisition gets a cut of the money too, or other "favors" in the future. The company knows its going to can the product and the founders will leave after their stock vests -- why else would it make the acquisition?

Re: The Summly deal makes no sense

#158
post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought the point was that Yahoo, a public company, was throwing away 30 million for no apparent gain.

That's the part I don't understand capitalism: on one hand, big corps try to save every dime by downsizing and outsourcing, and on the other hand, they pour money like this.

That's not capitalism, it's poor valuation, managerial inefficiency/stupidity, and fad/reaction behavior (among other things, I'm sure). It's counterintuitive, counterproductive, a massive waste, contrary to the penny-pinching you mention, and obtuse.

It's also just kind of how people are. You can't reasonably expect a large corporation -- which is just a big group of people who are all trying to make decisions and getting in each other's way -- to be able to make logical choices when they're subject to every large stakeholder's whim and every bit of incompetence that happens everywhere along the line.

Is it happening in a capitalist setting here? Yes. But it happens in all settings all over the world, so to suggest it's unique to this system ignores the actual nature of the issue (which is the Human Condition).

Re: The Summly deal makes no sense

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I feel this would be an appropriate subject for a Dilbert comic. Storyline is that someone accidentally left the dot out of $300000.00 to make it $30000000 and then everyone else went along with it for fear of looking stupid.

Not exactly the same storyline, but there's a very topical one from just 10 days ago. http://dilbert.com/2013-03-16/

FYI, putting a /fast/ before the date takes you to a "Linux/Unix" version of the comic, which is basically a de-gunkified page.

E.g: http://dilbert.com/fast/2013-03-16/

Re: The Summly deal makes no sense

#160
post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought the point was that Yahoo, a public company, was throwing away 30 million for no apparent gain.

Actually this is a very common scheme in Silicon Valley -- public companies "throwing away" money on relatively worthless startups. It is a good way to siphon money out of the stock market and into the pockets of VCs and founders -- and I would not be surprised if the person who pushes the acquisition gets a cut of the money too, or other "favors" in the future. The company knows its going to can the product and the…

That's a perspective that hadn't occurred to me (I'm not actually in startups or Silicon Valley). Sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it's believable.

It does not, however, mean shareholders can't/shouldn't complain about throwing money away, though.

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