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Re: Terminology – a new terminal emulator

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Post by antihero »

AceJohnny2 wrote: post #28

I used to care a lot about tabs and pane splitting in the terminal emulator. Then I discovered terminal multiplexers: screen, then tmux. Now I don't want those features in the terminal emulator anymore, as they overlap and even conflict with the terminal multiplexer.

Personally I've moved from tmux to a tiling window manager with urxvtd. Less fiddly day-to-day and doesn't get locked up and horrible.

Tabbing and whatnot are something the WM (in my case, i3) handle far better than a specific program.

Re: Terminology – a new terminal emulator

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Post by yebyen »

billiob wrote: post #62
yebyen wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Text reflow accurately characterizes the issues I would think you'd be working on, to fix what I've seen. I just fired up a virtualbox. All you have to do to see the misbehavior is run 'ps wuax' in a regular 80x24 terminology and then go to fullscreen. Your cursor winds up in the middle of the screen, above some of the text that used to show before the cursor, and before the cursor is a big empty space or certainly n…

It's exactly what I'm working on, thank you. See trac.enlightenment.org/e/ticket/1184 It will be there for the next release.

Like I said. I haven't opened a ticket that I haven't seen fixed. This is why I enlightenment. Thank you!

Re: Terminology – a new terminal emulator

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Post by yebyen »

buster wrote: post #63
yebyen wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might get this error when your EFL stack needs upgrading. Did you use the PPA? What version of Ubuntu are you on? For me, I wasn't able to finish apt-get upgrade without uninstalling an old libefl and all of its dependencies (some libraries that have been since merged into libefl I think), then installing again. Try doing `apt-get dist-upgrade`

I had theefl-trunk installed before, but ppa-purge didn't remove everything, i suppose. Went through libe* libraries and purged whatever came from e17. Installed again.. working now, woohooo!

I never heard of ppa-purge before. Thanks for playing! :)

Re: Terminology – a new terminal emulator

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Post by CJefferson »

jszmajda wrote: post #31
yebyen wrote: post #4

Terminology still has problems compared to SecureCRT or rxvt-unicode. I have been trying it on and off, as recently as this morning from the latest builds on ppa hannes-janetzek/svn-enlightenment, and if you fill the screen with text, it frequently does the wrong thing with the scrollback buffer, but as far as advanced terminals go, there's nothing for competition with Terminology. For the neatest demo of what you mi…

FWIW, the ppa is hannes-janetzek/enlightment-svn, and you can try it out in Ubuntu with: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:hannes-janetzek/enlightment-svn sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install terminology great effort coming along. I'm sticking with terminator for now but will keep my eye on terminolog.

You misspelt:

    sudo apt-add-repository ppa:hannes-janetzek/enlightenment-svn

Re: Terminology – a new terminal emulator

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Post by RobSis »

CJefferson wrote: post #70
AceJohnny2 wrote: post #28

I used to care a lot about tabs and pane splitting in the terminal emulator. Then I discovered terminal multiplexers: screen, then tmux. Now I don't want those features in the terminal emulator anymore, as they overlap and even conflict with the terminal multiplexer.

Personally, I really like to be able to drag the splits between terminals, use my scroll wheel, and click between tabs. Maybe these things can be enabled in tmux somehow? I know on a mac tmux/iTerm can do these things, but I'm on linux.

setw -g mode-mouse on

setw -g mouse-select-window on

setw -g mouse-select-pane on

setw -g mouse-resize-pane on

Re: Terminology – a new terminal emulator

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Post by _chrismccreadie »

billwilliams wrote: post #45

Under no circumstances should rich media be displayed in terminals. I am terrified of progress.

My feeling was the exact opposite. I have long been dreaming of rich media - especially video - playing within my terminal without having to awkwardly set screen splitting and resizing VLC to minimum.

Re: Terminology – a new terminal emulator

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Post by __david__ »

eridius wrote: post #17
juan_juarez wrote: post #10

Transparency and background images are great for making screenshots to show off your customized desktop. For actual daily use, they're absurd.

I've had semi-transparent terminal windows going on many years now. I keep them 80% opaque in the foreground, and drop it down to 75% opaque for inactive windows. I also apply a nice blur effect to the background (with the active window having a higher blur amount). It's really nice; lets me see what's behind the window, without detracting from the readability of the terminal itself. Transparency without blur might b…

Blur is absolutely the key to transparency. I've found it's a balance: you can go for less blur, but you have to make the window more opaque. With more blur you can go more transparent with the same amount of readability/non-distraction.

Re: Terminology – a new terminal emulator

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Post by __david__ »

buster wrote: post #46
juan_juarez wrote: post #10

Transparency and background images are great for making screenshots to show off your customized desktop. For actual daily use, they're absurd.

Why would it be absurd? Do you use a monochrome display? Because, let's face it, black/white is all you need. Or green/white.

Because backgrounds (or movies) like the ones shown in the video make the terminal text completely unreadable and reading the text on a terminal is kind of the whole point of it.

Edit: That sounded a little more negative than I meant it. I'm actually a fan of transparent or backgrounds, but I think they need a lot of tint/blur to them or they become distracting and/or make the text unreadable. This was evident in the video where I couldn't read a lot of the grey text once the background picts were enabled.

Though the use case for video still eludes me. :-)

Re: Terminology – a new terminal emulator

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Post by edlinfan »

ansible wrote: post #57
juan_juarez wrote: post #10

Transparency and background images are great for making screenshots to show off your customized desktop. For actual daily use, they're absurd.

When I first saw them I thought transparent terminal windows were the coolest thing. Then I tried to use one... So, as other commenters have pointed out, using blur and/or 80% opacity helps with this. One thing I haven't seen (with this terminal or any other) is to actually outline each character in black (assuming white on black color scheme). That would give some much needed contrast, while still allowing areas wit…

Eterm does this. It does help, but it is kind of ugly.

Re: Terminology – a new terminal emulator

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Post by jszmajda »

CJefferson wrote: post #74
jszmajda wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW, the ppa is hannes-janetzek/enlightment-svn, and you can try it out in Ubuntu with: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:hannes-janetzek/enlightment-svn sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install terminology great effort coming along. I'm sticking with terminator for now but will keep my eye on terminolog.

You misspelt: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:hannes-janetzek/enlightenment-svn

ah, so I did. Thanks!
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