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* Freelancing & consulting could be beneficial in your situation.

* Applying to smaller companies without HR departments could also work in your favor. They probably won't have any kind of background checks or standardized lists of questions they ask everybody. Don't lie, but you don't have to volunteer info either.

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Well, you don't have to lie on your resume or on your interview but have you considered just not mentioning it? Unless you're applying for certain types of jobs they're not going to do a background check on you, and you're unlikely to be under any obligation to disclose that you were convicted of computer fraud if you're applying for a computer related job. Also, think about taking jobs in countries that aren't the U…

Yeah, it seems to me that if you consider it irrelevant to your qualifications for your job, you should just omit it from your resume. There's a formal "job application" form that you'll have to fill out where they ask you whether they have any past convictions, but that usually comes after your interviews and you've accepted an offer.

That might be a bit surprising, but here's how it works at every company I've interviewed at: you find a job posting, you send in your resume, they call you for a phone screen and if you pass, they'll call you in for a full day of interviews. If they then make an offer that you accept, you'll finally fill out the formal paperwork.

However, if you apply to a big company job through their own HR portal, you're probably going to have to fill out the job application form when you submit your resume.

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DISCLAIMER: This is NOT legal advice. I am not a lawyer, and there's a hell of a lot of risk in what I'm going to tell you to do. When I was a teenager, someone I knew did something nonviolent but pretty bad (severe academic dishonesty) and had a non-empty answer to the "Discipline Question". You might judge me negatively for keeping such a person as a friend-- and I shouldn't have, but that's another story-- but at…

That's an interesting story.

As a counterpoint, since we're all just dealing in anecdotes here, I had a non-empty answer to the "Discipline Question"; I was suspended for "hacking", albeit after voluntarily telling my principal about it.

I disclosed it on my applications, while my high school did not. I was still accepted to MIT and Stanford. I later learned that MIT actually called my high school to get clarification on it, so I know it was seen at least by them.

I was also a finalist for an NSA scholarship program (flown out to the Maryland "friendship annex" for interviewing) despite having disclosed it.

So, I dunno what my point is. Maybe these things depend on who reads your application or what, but it's not an automatic dealbreaker, and I do encourage people to be honest.

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#15

Have you tried security related companies?

Kevin Mitnick seems to be doing well with http://mitnicksecurity.com. Granted his celebrity hacker status may contribute to that success, but it goes to show that a Felony conviction is by no means an impenetrable barrier to creating a consultancy or working for one.

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Well, you don't have to lie on your resume or on your interview but have you considered just not mentioning it? Unless you're applying for certain types of jobs they're not going to do a background check on you, and you're unlikely to be under any obligation to disclose that you were convicted of computer fraud if you're applying for a computer related job. Also, think about taking jobs in countries that aren't the U…

The US generally won't issue passports to convicted felons. (That's the Google consensus, anyway.)

this is not true. its discretionary but only in the case of drug traffickers is it strictly forbidden.

Re: Ask HN: Overcomming a federal conviction (computer fraud) for decent job?

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DISCLAIMER: This is NOT legal advice. I am not a lawyer, and there's a hell of a lot of risk in what I'm going to tell you to do. When I was a teenager, someone I knew did something nonviolent but pretty bad (severe academic dishonesty) and had a non-empty answer to the "Discipline Question". You might judge me negatively for keeping such a person as a friend-- and I shouldn't have, but that's another story-- but at…

Ahh yes. The good ol' hat problem. I never considered remaining silent about it, but most places around here do CORI background checks with the information on CV so It is hard to avoid. Also, a simple google query of my name pulls up quite a few embarrassing news articles. Imagine the fun it was to explain the situation to your spouses parents after they have googled you.

Thank you for your response. I will give non-disclosure a shot and see how that works. It feels inappropriate deceptive for me to omit those details when asked (via interview question in person, phone, or form) about them.

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#18
This is going to sound a little cliche, but try not to get discouraged by the rejections. After graduating from college I applied to over 100 companies and ended up getting a measly 4 interviews, but one of them did get me a job offer. It doesn't matter if all of the others reject you, it just takes one offer to get you a job.

Re: Ask HN: Overcomming a federal conviction (computer fraud) for decent job?

#20
While some larger corporations might not let you through the HR filter, that doesn't need to be the end of the story.

For myself as an entrepreneur looking for great developers, I don't give a whit about some dalliances from your youth. In fact, if the exploit was great enough, it might even be a selling point for your creativity and technical skill.

Be up front about who you are, and look for startups that will appreciate your talent and skill, and might even enjoy hearing some of the stories you've undoubtedly amassed.

Don't go for a job where you have to hide (or worse, lie about) your past. You'll be looking over your shoulder and stressed out, when you should be enjoying your work and finding fulfillment.

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