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Dirt may explain why richest countries suffer diseases rarely seen anywhere else

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Re: Dirt may explain why richest countries suffer diseases rarely seen anywhere else

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The NYTimes had a similar article a month ago describing the exact same Russian and Finnish populations and suggesting lack of microbes might be related to celiac disease:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/opinion/sunday/what-really...

I'm pretty sure there was a HN discussion on this, but I can't find it.

Edit: in reply to another comment, the article claims that the two populations are culturally, linguistically and genetically related, so genetics don't explain the differences.

Re: Dirt may explain why richest countries suffer diseases rarely seen anywhere else

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife works in a hospital, and she has been trained to always wash her hands. I on the other hand have always said that I am building my immune system by introducing my body to germs. Not sure whose right here, but interesting theory nonetheless.

I think that at a hospital you aren't washing your hands for yourself but for others that (probably) have compromised immune systems already. I know it kind of goes without saying. I know that the people I know that work at a day care got sick a lot initially (and so did their partners from them) but not so much anymore. I wonder if hospital staff have that happen as well?

anecdote: I always ended up getting a cold whenever I joined a new hospital/clinic.

Re: Dirt may explain why richest countries suffer diseases rarely seen anywhere else

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post #3

I always just assumed it was because rich countries are full of lazy-fat-fucks.

Interesting generalization, I am from a very rich country (Australia) and everyone I know is extremely hard working.(myself and my colleges are however, not rich in our land) Everyone is living life well, studying hard or working. I am unfamiliar with any "lazy-fat-fucks" in my neck of the woods yet I should be seeing them everywhere due to your over the top criteria. (Being in a rich country)

Caveat: Working Hard in Australia - might be considered "Lazy and fat" in another country.

40 hour work weeks is hardly "Working extremely hard"

Re: Dirt may explain why richest countries suffer diseases rarely seen anywhere else

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post #18
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And because only 'lazy-fat-fucks' get autoimmune diseases such as Type 1 diabetes, Celiac, MS, and lupus?

Ironically that's what the Argentinian President said one week ago http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2293564/Diabetes-ric...

Are you sure he wasn't talking about type 2?

Re: Dirt may explain why richest countries suffer diseases rarely seen anywhere else

#28
I'm surprised that the article didn't touch on differences in childhood mortality rates. The theory proposed has always made a lot of sense to me. However, I would expect any reporting on the topic to consider the extent to which the allergy-sufferers amongst us (such as myself) made it through childhood because of better early childhood medical care, thus skewing the later-in-life allergies and autoimmune disease stats downwards.

Re: Dirt may explain why richest countries suffer diseases rarely seen anywhere else

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post #28

I'm surprised that the article didn't touch on differences in childhood mortality rates. The theory proposed has always made a lot of sense to me. However, I would expect any reporting on the topic to consider the extent to which the allergy-sufferers amongst us (such as myself) made it through childhood because of better early childhood medical care, thus skewing the later-in-life allergies and autoimmune disease st…

That's an excellent point.

Re: Dirt may explain why richest countries suffer diseases rarely seen anywhere else

#30
its always amusing to read articles from respected sources about beliefs one has held for a long time. it feels mostly obvious to me that underexposure to germs can lead to more problems than fix. i guess a lot of my beliefs could come from visiting india and less developed countries.

its quite scary how many daily/regular routines come from people with ulterior motives. reminds me of the diamond article recent published by pricenomics. most people are ok with conforming to the norm without question.

anti-bacterial soap? really? im pretty sure all bacteria is not bad, and some actually quite helpful. regular shampoo? makeup constantly blocking the pours, not allowing the skin on the face to breath? deodorant?? i wonder how the toilet paper companies convinced the entire western culture that washing their bum with their hands was disgusting. isn't it more disgusting to have a bum thats not washed?? ah the magic of the marketing department.

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