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Adria Richards: ‘I’m staying safe’

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Re: Adria Richards: ‘I’m staying safe’

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The irrational venom and utter cowardice of those who attacked this woman and her supporters, including here on HN, shouldn't be surprising, but somehow it still is. Tech? I would have thought better of arguably among the most "rational" humans. Yet another lesson in how close to the surface very primitive emotions lie. And tech remains a cesspool of mysogyny.

As I tweeted yesterday: "Only thing that still bothers me about #donglegate is how people decided that 4chan/reddit trolls=the genuine opinion of all males in tech." Faceless trolls trolling the most trollable topic on the internet does not mean their opinion represents "men in tech".

Re: Adria Richards: ‘I’m staying safe’

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Sorry, but I don't think the conference organizers overreacted. They did exactly what they were supposed to do under the CoC - they received a complaint, and addressed it discreetly. If they hadn't taken it seriously, and just said 'cool it', then they'd be guilty of not taking their own CoC seriously.

And they didn't kick the guy out, or anything like that - it was basically a verbal warning, but done formally so that it was on record in case there was another incident. That's it. Not so bad.

Re: Adria Richards: ‘I’m staying safe’

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post #5

The irrational venom and utter cowardice of those who attacked this woman and her supporters, including here on HN, shouldn't be surprising, but somehow it still is. Tech? I would have thought better of arguably among the most "rational" humans. Yet another lesson in how close to the surface very primitive emotions lie. And tech remains a cesspool of mysogyny.

Part of the issue is that "tech" people tend to be out of touch with their emotions, so while they do feel them very strongly, they may not always understand their origins or be able to handle them in a resourceful manner.

Not admitting that many important decisions have an emotional component is part of the problem.

They can be 'rational' when it comes to doing numerical things, but when it comes to an emotional issue like picking emacs or vi, they are no better than your average touchy-feely New Age believer at being rational.

Re: Adria Richards: ‘I’m staying safe’

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>Look, whatever “side” of this you’re one, here’s what happened: >Some guys made some guy jokes about guy stuff >A woman got offended and did something that was probably an over-reaction >Some conference organizers over-reacted >A company (PlayHaven) over-reacted >The internet (all of us, but especially Anonymous) over-reacted >Another company (SendGrid) over-reacted >I’ve been cursed and pilloried and told to go kil…

Does anyone have clarification on how people think that the conference people overreacted? All that I have heard seems fairly reasonable.

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Re: Adria Richards: ‘I’m staying safe’

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post #5

The irrational venom and utter cowardice of those who attacked this woman and her supporters, including here on HN, shouldn't be surprising, but somehow it still is. Tech? I would have thought better of arguably among the most "rational" humans. Yet another lesson in how close to the surface very primitive emotions lie. And tech remains a cesspool of mysogyny.

Tech? On the internet, with Anonymity/Age Ranges/Trolling, why should we expect anything else? Taking everything said on the internet to heart is a very, very bad idea, especially with anything this incendiary.

Every time something like this happens people act surprised. Hello, have you ever been on the internet before? I'm not defending it, just saying that it should be treated for what it is - background noise.

Re: Adria Richards: ‘I’m staying safe’

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Guy jokes about guy stuff? Sorry, women joke about this stuff too. At an old job, the women dropped sexual innuendo and jokes constantly, more so than the men. Was I offended? Hell no, I'm perfectly fine with sexual content; we're all just bags of decaying biological matter anyway. Why did everything become so puritan/PC/ultra-conservative all of a sudden?

If a remark is directed at someone in a threatening way, that is different. But saying this is just 'guy stuff' is ignorant of reality.

Re: Adria Richards: ‘I’m staying safe’

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I hate the idea that she's getting death threats and insults because of her gender. That's wrong. It's not because of her gender.

It's because she's a notable figure on the internet.

I challenge the reader to find any notable figure online who has held a controversial position and not been the target of death threats.

That is an Internet anonymity problem, not a gender problem!

Women are not the only targets of anonymous death threats online!

(Not to excuse the appalling behavior of anonymous cowards who point their threats at almost every notable news target. Seriously, go read the forums on a major partisan site. Vile, disgusting, hurtful and violent language aren't the exception, they're the norm).

By playing into the gender context we're playing once against into these stupid gender arguments where they don't belong.

"But they're using anti-women language"

Of course they are! If it were a crippled man being insulted, why not imagine the language they'd use. If it was a black man being insulted and threatened, guess the language they'd use.

They pick their language to troll their target. They pick it after picking their target -- the language isn't the reason!

And yet again, a non gender issue will be filed under sexism.

Re: Adria Richards: ‘I’m staying safe’

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post #13

I am reminded of Penny Arcade, oddly enough. http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

This isn't about anonymity. The people involved (Adria, Hank, the companies that fired them) talked to each other face-to-face.

Yes, but the rest of the internet is in anonymity. Which reaction has been blown all out of proportion.
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