The irrational venom and utter cowardice of those who attacked this woman and her supporters, including here on HN, shouldn't be surprising, but somehow it still is. Tech? I would have thought better of arguably among the most "rational" humans. Yet another lesson in how close to the surface very primitive emotions lie. And tech remains a cesspool of mysogyny.
Adria Richards: ‘I’m staying safe’
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#12And they didn't kick the guy out, or anything like that - it was basically a verbal warning, but done formally so that it was on record in case there was another incident. That's it. Not so bad.
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#13I am reminded of Penny Arcade, oddly enough. http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19
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#14The irrational venom and utter cowardice of those who attacked this woman and her supporters, including here on HN, shouldn't be surprising, but somehow it still is. Tech? I would have thought better of arguably among the most "rational" humans. Yet another lesson in how close to the surface very primitive emotions lie. And tech remains a cesspool of mysogyny.
Not admitting that many important decisions have an emotional component is part of the problem.
They can be 'rational' when it comes to doing numerical things, but when it comes to an emotional issue like picking emacs or vi, they are no better than your average touchy-feely New Age believer at being rational.
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#15>Look, whatever “side” of this you’re one, here’s what happened: >Some guys made some guy jokes about guy stuff >A woman got offended and did something that was probably an over-reaction >Some conference organizers over-reacted >A company (PlayHaven) over-reacted >The internet (all of us, but especially Anonymous) over-reacted >Another company (SendGrid) over-reacted >I’ve been cursed and pilloried and told to go kil…
Does anyone have clarification on how people think that the conference people overreacted? All that I have heard seems fairly reasonable.
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#16The irrational venom and utter cowardice of those who attacked this woman and her supporters, including here on HN, shouldn't be surprising, but somehow it still is. Tech? I would have thought better of arguably among the most "rational" humans. Yet another lesson in how close to the surface very primitive emotions lie. And tech remains a cesspool of mysogyny.
Every time something like this happens people act surprised. Hello, have you ever been on the internet before? I'm not defending it, just saying that it should be treated for what it is - background noise.
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#17If a remark is directed at someone in a threatening way, that is different. But saying this is just 'guy stuff' is ignorant of reality.
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#18It's because she's a notable figure on the internet.
I challenge the reader to find any notable figure online who has held a controversial position and not been the target of death threats.
That is an Internet anonymity problem, not a gender problem!
Women are not the only targets of anonymous death threats online!
(Not to excuse the appalling behavior of anonymous cowards who point their threats at almost every notable news target. Seriously, go read the forums on a major partisan site. Vile, disgusting, hurtful and violent language aren't the exception, they're the norm).
By playing into the gender context we're playing once against into these stupid gender arguments where they don't belong.
"But they're using anti-women language"
Of course they are! If it were a crippled man being insulted, why not imagine the language they'd use. If it was a black man being insulted and threatened, guess the language they'd use.
They pick their language to troll their target. They pick it after picking their target -- the language isn't the reason!
And yet again, a non gender issue will be filed under sexism.
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#20I am reminded of Penny Arcade, oddly enough. http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19
This isn't about anonymity. The people involved (Adria, Hank, the companies that fired them) talked to each other face-to-face.