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Re: Google killed me

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Post by megablast »

cromwellian wrote: post #47

Just wait till she finds her insurance company or local government has wrong information and see how long it'll take to get a fix. Years ago, the bank which had my car loan got sold to another bank which got sold to another bank. When I finished paying off the loan, they sent documents I needed to the wrong address. I had moved to a different state and the bank had as well, and it took weeks to correct this. I actual…

It is only a matter of time before they start to use Google for this information, they already use it for mapping, and have made some mistakes. The fictitious island is one example.

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Post by Samuel_Michon »

rdl wrote: post #13

AfD? Is she really notable? (daughter of a state judge seems to be her primary accomplishment; also is an English professor).

“Professor of English at the University of California, Irvine, where she teaches in the Literary Journalism program. Her works appeared in The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, Time magazine, The New Republic, Mother Jones, Harper’s, Vogue, Condé Nast Traveler, Travel & Leisure, The San Francisco Chronicle, More, The Village Voice, The London Review of Books, Huffington Post. She was Jerusalem correspondent of The New Yorker, and is currently a contributing editor at The Nation.”

Re: Google killed me

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Post by alxeder »

RyanZAG wrote: post #49
ajross wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This will be taken care of if/when we eventually have real artificial intelligence Considering that "non-artificial intelligence" makes the same kind of mistakes, I find that an odd claim. Mistakes happen. Quite frankly far fewer of them happen in the modern world, due precisely to technology like this. What has changed is actually the converse: automation has become so good that we expect it to be flawless. No one…

You're completely correct, great points. It's very easy to fall into the trap of 'human-like intelligence will fix it' when thinking of better machines, but it's fairly clear that human-like intelligence has a lot of failings too.

even if the hole knowledge graph would be filled out by humans, there would still be errors in it, thats just how it works with this sort of big data. No way you could design a computer algorithm which does this job without a single error

Re: Google killed me

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Post by Kylekramer »

KMag wrote: post #41
Kylekramer wrote: post #17

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Don't know what is so scary about that. I am willing to bet less than 0.01% of "name[s] on Wikipedia..followed by a birth and death date" aren't the actual birth and death date. Seems like just an oddmatch caused by an overzealous relative that happened due to the incredibly large amount of data Google processes.

You need to be much more careful in wording your bets. I think you meant to bet that the simple solution is almost always the correct way to parse the Wikipedia article, but that's not actually what you bet. What you really bet was P(correct_parse) * P(correct_data) + (1 -P(correct_parse) ) * P(wrong_parse_accidentally_giving_correct_data) > 0.9999 A 0.01% error rate is incredibly incredibly accurate. I imagine the e…

I would still stick by my bet as worded. For every Jimmy Wales, there are ten of thousands of people who have no odd circumstances. Combined with the much higher volume of data about recent and more verifiable people than those from a time where records were fuzzier and the fact that Wikipedia is a moving target regarding accuracy, I don't think 1 in 10,000 is unreasonable. Just the pages of every athlete competing in a major league currently would offset most anomalies.

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Post by saraid216 »

rhizome wrote: post #56
_delirium wrote: post #40

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I can't seem to find a good canonical reference at the moment, but there's some interesting writing in organizational theory about the extent to which some of those kinds of bureaucracies are themselves basically mechanical systems, controlled by code that just happens to be manually executed by human operators. In general, code executed by computers tends to be executed more "rigidly", but in some systems humans can…

The source code for those kinds of systems is commonly referred to as, "policy."

Policy is the documentation, not the source code.

You can read policy. It may not be accurate.

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Post by _delirium »

cecilpl wrote: post #55
_delirium wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't seem to find a good canonical reference at the moment, but there's some interesting writing in organizational theory about the extent to which some of those kinds of bureaucracies are themselves basically mechanical systems, controlled by code that just happens to be manually executed by human operators. In general, code executed by computers tends to be executed more "rigidly", but in some systems humans can…

I had this exact thought while walking to work this morning. It came to me that the vast majority of modern society is completely independent of the actual people executing it. There are very few jobs that could not be done just as well by another person with the same training. Most jobs are like coded modules. They have well-defined inputs and outputs - even creative jobs can be defined in terms of "create something…

I had an interesting hallway discussion with a SAP integrator who mentioned that SAP sort of starts from this view, but then weirdly feeds back in on itself. One of the ideas of SAP is that business processes do have the kinds of pluggable, formalizable patterns you mention, which can be modeled within SAP. And the official idea is that you go from documenting these processes to formalizing them in code. But then over the years SAP's code starts to become a sort of de-facto framework for "this is how you run a company", and people actually start patterning business processes on how SAP models business processes.

Re: Google killed me

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Post by yaddayadda »

alxeder wrote: post #63
RyanZAG wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're completely correct, great points. It's very easy to fall into the trap of 'human-like intelligence will fix it' when thinking of better machines, but it's fairly clear that human-like intelligence has a lot of failings too.

even if the hole knowledge graph would be filled out by humans, there would still be errors in it, thats just how it works with this sort of big data. No way you could design a computer algorithm which does this job without a single error

I find perverse pleasure in your ironic error, i.e. a hole in your knowledge (or potentially typing skills) related to the distinction between "hole" and "whole".

Re: Google killed me

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Post by The1Mirage »

Matt_Cutts wrote: post #48

I believe this has been fixed for a while now. It was fixed by the time I reported this over a week ago, for example. If you see an error in a Knowledge Panel (the box on the right-hand side), look for the "Feedback / More info" link at the bottom of the box and then you can click next to a fact to report a problem. People do review those reports, and that's the fastest way to report an issue.

It has been corrected since then - the post is from February 28th, not sure why it's just now hitting HN.

This isn't a real-time complaint.

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