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I’m done with the web

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Re: I’m done with the web

#11
There's no way yet another webapp framework, no matter how close it emulates the desktop, is going to gain lots of traction when it mandates users to use... Objective-J and JavaScript.

Seriously: being on your high horses and all is fine and well but your article is an oversimplification as to how the web works and as to what devs need and want.

For example lately I've been very interested in flapjax (FRP UI) and webfui (Clojure / ClojureScript with automated synchronization between the client and the server).

Functional programming and FRP UI may be the way forward. I'm not saying it is but I'm saying it may. What does Cappunico have to offer from the standpoint of determinism and reproducibility? Seen from a sufficiently distant paradigm, any web framework is the old, broken, inneficient way of doing things. Even your beloved Cappunico which you wasted so many time on.

Cappunico is a failure. It doesn't have to do with you being too intelligent and having figured out things earlier than others. It's just that there are many who devs do not want Objective-C / JavaScript and who want instead something really disruptive. As long as the one really disruptive thing doesn't come along, there shall be competition between lesser solutions (which Cappucino being one) Deal with it.

Re: I’m done with the web

#12

>Ember is very close to the “micro” side of things, but at a “whopping” 49KB (less than a second download on a dial-up internet connection Chances are that you probably never had a dial-up connection. 49KB on dial-up generally takes around 10 seconds. Besides this point, the accusatory tone towards front-end developers and 'the rest of the world' that did not understand you isn't helping to get your point across. You…

I disagree. I think his post accurately gets his point(s) across. He has identified a problem and is obviously fed up, hence the accusatory tone.

Re: I’m done with the web

#13
A couple of years ago a London based start-up came to me asking for help finding a Cappuccino/Objective J developer. I pride myself at being able to find needles in haystacks but finding a dedicated Cappuccino dev in London was proving impossible. During a moment of desperation I fired a very simple email to Randy asking for suggestions and I got a reply within 24 hours with a few names suggested from the Cappuccino community who were UK based and a couple of suggestions on what sort of developer would find the transition to Objective J easier than others.

Randy's passion for Cappuccino was blatant and his excitement at seeing the framework expand in the UK was admirable. The fact that someone so passionate has become so frustrated is a shame.

Best of luck at Google Randy and thanks for taking time out to help a stranger.

Re: I’m done with the web

#15

  Your day job is to build a piece of web software and you can’t take a few days to learn the ins and outs? 
This is the opinion I had when all of the previous Ember flare ups happened. My thoughts were exactly this. It would behoove so many of us to simply spend more time with new technology and ideas before we simply throw our hands up and say "it confuses me".

Re: I’m done with the web

#16
> This reaction to Ember just baffles me. Your day job is to build a piece of web software and you can’t take a few days to learn the ins and outs?

Couldn't agree more. While I do think that new technology should be intuitive and easy to use, you have to take the time to explore, learn and familiarize yourself with it. I think peoples' attention spans are way too short these days.

Re: I’m done with the web

#17
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> The community has tossed out everything we’ve learned from the last 30 years of building applications in favor of being able to put something together quickly with complete disregard for maintainability or extendability. That's spot on. You can add in to that that all the lessons of the process of developing software have also been discarded and are slowly being re-learned. It is as if with the birth of the web the…

While you've undoubtedly worked at some great shops with other great engineers...can you say that the IT and development industry isn't as rickety as web development seems today? I mean, how can we really know? Today, we have github and stackoverflow and a myriad of other coding boards in which we can see the most horrible of code snippets -- and the way the mind works, we usually remember the horrid examples more than we do the average or decent ones. But we lack an ability to perform similar introspection on older code bases. But I think we've seen enough shoddy legacy code to assume that development has always had a variance in quality

Re: I’m done with the web

#18
Nobody uses Cappuccino because it is written in such an obscure language making the entry barrier too high.

While frameworks like AngularJS won because they tried to embrace web technologies instead of replacing them.

Re: I’m done with the web

#20
This is a big part of why I left Web dev, too. I'm just sick of working with amateurs. When I'm at work, I have things I want to get done. This isn't the classroom, my teammates' lack of comprehension of even things as simple as dependency injection and MVC is their fault, not mine. My productivity and coding power shouldn't have to be hampered just because I'm working with a bunch of code-until-it-works-sorta hacks.
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