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Re: Sorry Google; you can Keep it to yourself

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Post by spinchange »

Shooti wrote: post #114
DigitalTurk wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, if you'll read the ZNet article that post is based on you'll notice that users who didn't connect their Windows Phone calendars to their Google accounts before February are still screwed! See also http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US//windows-8/use-google-win... : I want to connect my Google account after January 30, 2013 Here's what you need to know: Unfortunately, with Google changing the way it supports EA…

Read the article again. Windows 8/RT isn't the same as Windows Phone (which Google confirmed in the article has been whitelisted). The source of that is the Windows team deciding not to add CardDav/CalDav support to the Metro-style Mail and Calendar apps, so you won't be able to use CardDav/CalDav from any other provider either.

So what about the decision to drop ActiveSync support for anything after Windows 7/Office 2010? If you buy a new windows machine and are a paying apps customer, you are pretty much screwed. Dropping CalDAV doesn't affect this, but it is icing on the cake since it's hardly a guarantee that Apple is going to request whitelisting to make sure it works. (They have iCloud after all & not seeking interoperability will push iCal users who weren't using it for this, toward it.)

CalDAV is the standard and it's pretty clear that Google is backing away from that along with ActiveSync for enterprises and therefore silo-ing Calendar.

Re: Sorry Google; you can Keep it to yourself

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Post by tomkarlo »

pessimizer wrote: post #116
tomkarlo wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same could be said when they started Google - at the time Altavista was dominant in search. If you're that easily dissuaded, you shouldn't be in startups. There's almost always an existing solution to the problem you're trying to solve.

Altavista wasn't an arm of one of the most powerful, valuable, and influential companies on earth.

No, but at the time, the Internet was also about 1/100th of what it is today and Altavista was still worth about $3bn. It's hard to picture now, but back in 1999 Altavista and Yahoo were towering giants online.

Re: Sorry Google; you can Keep it to yourself

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Post by res0nat0r »

pessimizer wrote: post #116
tomkarlo wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same could be said when they started Google - at the time Altavista was dominant in search. If you're that easily dissuaded, you shouldn't be in startups. There's almost always an existing solution to the problem you're trying to solve.

Altavista wasn't an arm of one of the most powerful, valuable, and influential companies on earth.

AV was spawned by researchers from DEC in 1995 a full 3 years before Google came on the scene. I'd say Google was the severe underdog at the time.

Re: Sorry Google; you can Keep it to yourself

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Post by fakeer »

chii wrote: post #88
marssaxman wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is "sth"? Services? Software?

its a terrible shorthand for "something". I always read it as "sith".

I am from India and so I grew up on British English and have stuck to that. I was gifted a Oxford Pocket Dictionary when I was a kid, by an uncle. I practically learned my English with that dictionary, had it till recently when I passed it down to my niece(who is in 5th grade as of now).

Now, you'll have to trust me on these two statements:

1. I did learn "sth 'can' be used for something" from that old good little dictionary[1] and did not pick it from the Internet or SMS and it's a valid use. (Though, I see it also means South in US Eng)

2. That is probably the best dictionary I've come across, even better than OALD, I had them both and hardly ever used the latter (:-) ).

[1]http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/sth?q=sth - not Oxford link but just as good.

Re: Sorry Google; you can Keep it to yourself

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Post by cddotdotslash »

mindcrime wrote: post #130
andyl wrote: post #123

Before Google+ came along, Google had many great products and embraced the OpenWeb. Now Google has abandoned Open Standards like RSS and CalDAV, and I think Google is more interested in building their own walled garden.

Bingo. It's very unfortunate too, as Google were uniquely positioned to be great defenders of the Open Web. Who else has the clout to do it now, as well as the motivation? Does anybody see Marissa moving Yahoo that way? I'm guessing "no" but would love to be proven wrong. It won't be Microsoft, you can bet on that. Red Hat are a moderately powerful company, but they aren't that big and could wind up acquired by Oracl…

You forgot Mozilla - pretty much the only company left that supports what you mentioned.

Re: Sorry Google; you can Keep it to yourself

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Post by [deleted] »

fakeer wrote: post #37
dudus wrote: post #12

Google Reader had an easy and clear migration path to export your data. I can't understand why people keep bashing Google for it. Just take your data to somewhere else. If tomorrow Keep goes away they'll do the same.

You realise there were feed services that went kaput because of Reader[1] and one fine day Google decided to give it an injection. Is it really that difficult to see this happening to sth like Evernote or Simplenote? I mean seeing Google's reach it's very much possible. And as Malik has raised the question in his post - what's in it for Google? No one seems to know this. They might just be testing one of their APIs b…

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Re: Sorry Google; you can Keep it to yourself

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Post by mindcrime »

cddotdotslash wrote: post #135
mindcrime wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bingo. It's very unfortunate too, as Google were uniquely positioned to be great defenders of the Open Web. Who else has the clout to do it now, as well as the motivation? Does anybody see Marissa moving Yahoo that way? I'm guessing "no" but would love to be proven wrong. It won't be Microsoft, you can bet on that. Red Hat are a moderately powerful company, but they aren't that big and could wind up acquired by Oracl…

You forgot Mozilla - pretty much the only company left that supports what you mentioned.

Mozilla is mentioned. :-) End of the first paragraph:

Mozilla have a lot of clout on the browser side, but arguably much less so than in years past, as their market share has slipped.

Re: Sorry Google; you can Keep it to yourself

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Post by spinchange »

Shooti wrote: post #118
DigitalTurk wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me it's not a given since AFAICT Apple software doesn't sync with Google Calendar over CalDav by default. Particularly on iOS you have to go out of your way to enable it—viz. you have to select 'Exchange account' instead of 'Google account'. In any case, if they're committed to preserving this feature then why are they implementing screening?

CalDav is what the iOS Add Account option for Google uses to sync: http://support.google.com/calendar/bin/answer.py?hl=en&a... Seems unlikely they'll drop it given their approach to iOS so far has been to infiltrate the ecosystem with their own Google apps, though never say never I suppose. As for why they're pushing people towards their own Calendar API, presumably so they can add/promote new features specific to Ca…

>Seems unlikely they'll drop it given their approach to iOS so far has been to infiltrate the ecosystem with their own Google apps

Yes, and syncing Calendar data with Apple's calendar App is not this strategy.

Releasing a standalone "Calendar" app for iOS to keep it accessible, controlled, and branded on iOS devices after it stops working and Apple doesn't bother to request whitelisting but promotes iCloud instead, is.

Re: Sorry Google; you can Keep it to yourself

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Post by azov »

mindcrime wrote: post #130
andyl wrote: post #123

Before Google+ came along, Google had many great products and embraced the OpenWeb. Now Google has abandoned Open Standards like RSS and CalDAV, and I think Google is more interested in building their own walled garden.

Bingo. It's very unfortunate too, as Google were uniquely positioned to be great defenders of the Open Web. Who else has the clout to do it now, as well as the motivation? Does anybody see Marissa moving Yahoo that way? I'm guessing "no" but would love to be proven wrong. It won't be Microsoft, you can bet on that. Red Hat are a moderately powerful company, but they aren't that big and could wind up acquired by Oracl…

Perhaps, Dropbox?

They are well positioned for becoming the filesystem of the web, and may have some interest in defending open file formats and protocols.

Re: Sorry Google; you can Keep it to yourself

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Post by cinbun8 »

Why stop with Google Reader and Keep ? The article seems to suggest that just because Google pulled the plug on Reader that it will pull the plug on any product it releases. Yes pulling down Reader was a bad idea but this is an overreaction.
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