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Chinese solar producer Suntech declares bankruptcy

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Re: Chinese solar producer Suntech declares bankruptcy

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I've been looking into Solar for my house and it's hard to justify. A $15,000 installation pays back only $150 a month in electricity. This is little more than what I could get by putting that $15,000 into a mutual fund.

The US introduced import tariffs of $0.18 to $1.60 per W for Chinese panels, which are produced for $0.63/W. Not entirely tethered to what the U.S. consumer sees...

Re: Chinese solar producer Suntech declares bankruptcy

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Some of the reporting on Suntech by other news organizations is quite interesting. From "China’s Solar Billionaire Undone as Banks Push Suntech to Brink" http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-20/china-s-solar-billi... comes this striking summary of the market: "'Being in the solar manufacturing industry over the past eight years has been an excellent way to turn a big fortune into a small one,' said Jenny Chase, lead…

Looks like all that stolen technology can't save the company from making bad business decisions. Solar and other green tech intellectual property has been among the highest priorities for Chinese hackers in recent years.

Re: Chinese solar producer Suntech declares bankruptcy

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post #8

I've been looking into Solar for my house and it's hard to justify. A $15,000 installation pays back only $150 a month in electricity. This is little more than what I could get by putting that $15,000 into a mutual fund.

AFAICT, that's why solar companies are shifting their business models to let the company pay the up-front installation cost and then pass some savings to the owner every month.

Re: Chinese solar producer Suntech declares bankruptcy

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post #8

I've been looking into Solar for my house and it's hard to justify. A $15,000 installation pays back only $150 a month in electricity. This is little more than what I could get by putting that $15,000 into a mutual fund.

Does that pay back calculation include the fact that this increases the resale value of your house?

It does not increase the resale value of the house.

Re: Chinese solar producer Suntech declares bankruptcy

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post #8

I've been looking into Solar for my house and it's hard to justify. A $15,000 installation pays back only $150 a month in electricity. This is little more than what I could get by putting that $15,000 into a mutual fund.

I know you were just making a rough comparison, but $150 is 1% of 15000. If you're saying you spend $150/month in electricity and that's barely more than you get from a mutual fund, are you saying you get on the order of 12% a year from your mutual funds, even today?

I need different mutual funds.

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post #17
post #8

I've been looking into Solar for my house and it's hard to justify. A $15,000 installation pays back only $150 a month in electricity. This is little more than what I could get by putting that $15,000 into a mutual fund.

I know you were just making a rough comparison, but $150 is 1% of 15000. If you're saying you spend $150/month in electricity and that's barely more than you get from a mutual fund, are you saying you get on the order of 12% a year from your mutual funds, even today? I need different mutual funds.

Plenty of dividend stocks give more than 1%, even.

Edit: I am not on the ball tonight

Re: Chinese solar producer Suntech declares bankruptcy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that pay back calculation include the fact that this increases the resale value of your house?

It does not increase the resale value of the house.

But what about my hottub? Surely that increases the resale value at least 10%!

/s

Re: Chinese solar producer Suntech declares bankruptcy

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post #8

I've been looking into Solar for my house and it's hard to justify. A $15,000 installation pays back only $150 a month in electricity. This is little more than what I could get by putting that $15,000 into a mutual fund.

A $15,000 investment that pays $1800 a year, guaranteed? I will write you a check tomorrow for the $15k.

I think your math is wrong somehow.

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