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Chinese solar producer Suntech declares bankruptcy

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Re: Chinese solar producer Suntech declares bankruptcy

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It turns out when you sell products near cost to gain as much market share as possible, not only do you shut them down, but you will eventually get shut down. Who would have thought?

Given the massive government subsidies, they were probably selling below cost.

Hopefully the market recovers and we continue to see prices come down in double-digit percentages each year. With every price drop, the return on solar installations grows and the business model of companies like SolarCity grows more viable.

Re: Chinese solar producer Suntech declares bankruptcy

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Some of the reporting on Suntech by other news organizations is quite interesting. From "China’s Solar Billionaire Undone as Banks Push Suntech to Brink"

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-20/china-s-solar-billi...

comes this striking summary of the market: "'Being in the solar manufacturing industry over the past eight years has been an excellent way to turn a big fortune into a small one,' said Jenny Chase, lead solar analyst at Bloomberg New Energy Finance in Zurich."

The Australian press has especially good reporting because of the connections between Suntech and Australia through Shi Zhengrong, the founder of Suntech who moved to Australia after completing higher education degrees in China. The story "Suntech's failure forces Beijing policy rethink" from the newspaper The Australian

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/suntechs-...

reports,

"In substantial part, Suntech -- whose board first kicked Shi out of the chief executive's position last August, then a fortnight ago removed him as chairman -- is the victim of state industrial policy.

"As Carl Walter and Fraser Howie, American bankers with decades of experience living and working in China, point out in their important book Red Capitalism, China's party leaders have believed in recent years that 'they are better positioned than any market to value and price risk'."

The New York Times reports in "Chinese Solar Panel Maker Falters as Prices Plunge"

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/21/business/energy-environmen...

"Ocean Yuan, the president of Grape Solar, an importer of solar panels based in Eugene, Ore., said he foresaw a series of bankruptcies by big Chinese solar panel manufacturers, some of which, like Suntech, have very high debt. Chinese manufacturers lost as much as $1 for every $3 of sales last year as they struggled to keep factories open despite falling prices.

"'They are bleeding every day,' Mr. Yuan wrote in an e-mail. 'The more they sell, the more they lose money.'"

Re: Chinese solar producer Suntech declares bankruptcy

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Bad for the industry, but good for the customers (and the power grid). As Warren Buffett said multiple times, there are many industries that have the potential to change the world and benefit society tremendously, but that won't make anyone any money.

The airline industry is a good example. Since the Wright brothers, that industry has probably destroyed capital in the aggregate, yet it's changed the world and flying is incredibly cheap and convenient now.

Solar could be the same, and only solar installers like SolarCity and the owners of solar farms are likely to make money (they actually benefit from lower solar panel prices).

Re: Chinese solar producer Suntech declares bankruptcy

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post #8

I've been looking into Solar for my house and it's hard to justify. A $15,000 installation pays back only $150 a month in electricity. This is little more than what I could get by putting that $15,000 into a mutual fund.

So - what you are suggesting, is that Solar Panels (installed) are still too expensive and/or electricity is too cheap for you to invest in solar panels for your house right now?

My understanding is that many people invest in solar panels because of additional government incentives.

Re: Chinese solar producer Suntech declares bankruptcy

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I've been looking into Solar for my house and it's hard to justify. A $15,000 installation pays back only $150 a month in electricity. This is little more than what I could get by putting that $15,000 into a mutual fund.

Does that pay back calculation include the fact that this increases the resale value of your house?
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