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Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by STRML »

rhizome wrote: post #126
moistgorilla wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taking a picture of two people without their permission and posting it on the internet eventually causing one of them to get fired doesn't seem like abuse to you? Why didn't she tell them to just be quiet? That's what normal people do.

As a matter of fact, if you read her blog post about all of this, she recommends the same thing: What has to change is that everyone must take personal accountability and speak up when they hear something that isn’t ok. It takes three words to make a difference: “That’s not cool.” However, she appears to have not followed her own advice. I think it probably would have turned out differently if she had, though.

We're all adults, there's absolutely no reason to take it to the internet when simply mustering a little courage and saying something will do.

She took the cowardly way out and a man was fired for it. And that's assuming it was even true.

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Post by copx »

Why does this always happen at Python or Ruby conferences?

I have never heard of such ridiculous drama at C++ conferences for example. There seems to be a curious link between programming languages and culture.

I mean people interested in Python can obviously start a major drama over a harmless juvenile comment like that.

I remember seeing Andrei Alexandrescu (of C++ and D fame) joke about the double meaning of the term "pussy programmer" at a conference. Now that was way more "sexist".. but there was no drama.

EDIT: To make it clear, he did that during an interview, in front of the camera!

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by WalterSear »

tn13 wrote: post #41

Did she want them to be fired ? Cracking a fallus joke might be immature but then putting such random photos on twitter is also equally immature. However whoever fired those who cracked the joke seem to be at fault here.

She'll be ok, even with the penis jokes she made in her twitter feed, from the same conference. Why?

She works here: http://i.imgur.com/uWc8P39.png

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by katbyte »

BrianEatWorld wrote: post #188
Joeboy wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, I am really puzzled as to why these "jokes" are supposed to be offensive to women. They might be offensive to people raised in some cultures / subcultures, and they don't sound like they're great jokes in any culture, but nobody ever told me about the meeting where women decided knob jokes were offensive. In fact a female friend texted me one about an hour ago.

The office I work in is entirely male, myself included, and just because don how I was raised, these types of jokes make me uncomfortable. However, after I said something about the issue, my coworkers, like most human beings, made an effort to check themselves. However, until you say something, they can't do anything about it. I agree its a decency issue and not a sexism one.

Anyone can be made uncomfortable by anything, and most people will try and not make people uncomfortable, but until they know your bothered by it they can't do anything.

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by djcapelis »

josh-j wrote: post #312
jasonlotito wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, just to be clear, you are boycotting a company that employees someone who upholds the code of conduct agreed to by all attendees of pycon, but make no mention of the company that actually fired the guy. Gotcha.

It's a sane move if you want to discourage the culture that Adria is encouraging. Certainly her employers don't deserve any blame, though.

> Certainly her employers don't deserve any blame, though

To be clear, SendGrid is her employer and that's exactly who sergiotapia sent an e-mail to saying he was going to boycott and recommended that others do the same.

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by shardling »

BrianEatWorld wrote: post #188
Joeboy wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, I am really puzzled as to why these "jokes" are supposed to be offensive to women. They might be offensive to people raised in some cultures / subcultures, and they don't sound like they're great jokes in any culture, but nobody ever told me about the meeting where women decided knob jokes were offensive. In fact a female friend texted me one about an hour ago.

The office I work in is entirely male, myself included, and just because don how I was raised, these types of jokes make me uncomfortable. However, after I said something about the issue, my coworkers, like most human beings, made an effort to check themselves. However, until you say something, they can't do anything about it. I agree its a decency issue and not a sexism one.

Adria did not initially raise this as a "sexism" issue from what I can see -- just something the made her uncomfortable.

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by fernandotakai »

forsaken wrote: post #135

http://pycon.blogspot.com/2013/03/pycon-response-to-inapprop...

> PyCon values the privacy of all attendees above everything.

She took three pictures of the two guys without their consent (something that is against the code of conduit). Why their privacy values were not respected?

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by breadbox »

b0sk wrote: post #67

Here's my blame attribution 10% - The guys. Yea, a bit moronic to make a private adult joke that can be heard by others in a professional setting. But even in a real job setting, they'd just get a reprimand from HR and that'll straighten most of them out. 40% - Adria. It's getting evident that she went out of the way to take offense and sees herself as Joan of Arc (superiority complex?). She tries to make herself the…

"40% - Adria, 0% - PyCon organizers." Really?

I mean, PyCon had a Code Of Conduct. If you don't blame the organizers for sticking to the published code, then how does Adria get blamed for doing the same? Doesn't that strike you as getting mad at her for "tattling"?

On the other hand, if you think the Code itself is bogus, then why don't the PyCon organizers get a share of the blame for a bad policy?

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by integraton »

jasonlotito wrote: post #345
ratat wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is publicly posting a creepily-taken photograph of two friends at a conference, with entirely baseless slanderous claims of something you allegedly overheard them say to each other.

Baseless? PyCon disagrees, and apparently, so do the two friends. http://pycon.blogspot.com/2013/03/pycon-response-to-inapprop... So, unless PyCon is lying, the claims were verified. If they had not been, you'd have a point. If she had made the claims, but never went to PyCon and resolved it properly, you'd be dead on.

PyCon's response was appropriate. SendGrid's representative's response was not.

Re: The PyCon Incident

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Post by katbyte »

stephengillie wrote: post #266
Joeboy wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, I am really puzzled as to why these "jokes" are supposed to be offensive to women. They might be offensive to people raised in some cultures / subcultures, and they don't sound like they're great jokes in any culture, but nobody ever told me about the meeting where women decided knob jokes were offensive. In fact a female friend texted me one about an hour ago.

That "these jokes are sexist or offensive to women" was an axiom (in the logic sense) in my parents' religious household. It's incredibly confusing to see good and respectable people (like your friend) so eager to debase themselves with this humor.

how is it debasing if i text some stupid dick joke to my friend? i don't' get it.

(disclaimer i am female)

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