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Re: Google Keep

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It looks to me like they're just obfuscated words. If you look at one of the hierarchies, you see "TUdKmf-xhiy4-haAclf", then "TUdKmf-xhiy4-DKlKme-haAclf", then "TUdKmf-xhiy4". Seems like they're just taking a normal class like "note-body-wrapper" and "note-body" and obfuscating it.

What's the purpose of obfuscating css?

Make it harder to use userscripts for custom styling..?

Re: Google Keep

#62
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This is extremely minimal, I'd honestly expect more from a Google product. There's not even a tutorial or anything. Also why are there not any text formatting options? I'd love a real Google Evernote competitor but this is not even in the same league. Am I missing something, or is this just neutered Google Drive?

> This is extremely minimal, I'd honestly expect more from a Google product. Given the fact that they are saying access from the Drive UI is coming soon, I suspect the release was rushed after the accidental leak. I wouldn't expect them to release a new Drive app when that requires a separate URL before its integrated into the Drive UI. OTOH, its not unheard of for Google to introduce a new service in a fairly minima…

Given the fact that they are saying access from the Drive UI is coming soon

Do you have a link for that? I was wondering why it wasn't integrated better with the rest of Drive, and that would make sense.

Re: Google Keep

#63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of people, including myself, feel that Evernote is overly complex and not enjoyable to use. I've always wanted a simple app that lets me sync basic text notes across devices. All the ones I've been able to find have something off about them, whether it be interface, lack of sync, complexity, or other annoyance. I find Keep to actually be quite nice, and it fits my needs. I assume there are others for whom this i…

The plural of anecdote is not data. The facts are that Evernote has in excess of 30M users, with lots of paying users and growing rapidly. There is no evidence that this mythical complexity is affecting adoption. And I don't see how Google Drive and Evernote are competition. Very different use cases.

Who are you even talking to? The post you replied to just made an argument for why this would be a viable product for some people, which is exactly what the topmost post asked for opinions on.

The only possible phrase that could be construed as needing "data" to back it up is "lots of people" being unsatisfied with evernote's complexity (which is not a statement about that affecting evernote's adoption, incidentally), and it's a statement that could arguably be satisfied with an anecdote in any case.

You pulled the trigger on the negativity gun a little early here, even for you.

Re: Google Keep

#65
It's nice but I expected more from Google. If a new startup launched this product it wouldn't get any press. Why should I use this when there are already similar options (Simple Note) and ones which have many more features (Evernote)?

Re: Google Keep

#68

So many "they killed reader how can I ever trust Google again" comments. As if everything ever has been permanent and Evernote will outlast humanity. It's a minimal todo list for godsakes.

Google Notebook also was just a minimal notepad and yet it was killed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Notebook Evernote is completely dependent on it's product to survive, so they won't kill it unless they're going out of business. Same with One Note and Office, Microsoft makes billions out of Office every quarter. Google Drive is pretty much subsidized from Adsense profits just like Google Notebook was.

Google Notebook was filled with flaws. I used it quite a bit for a large number of subjects, but once the news came out it was getting the axe, I migrated over to another platform (there were plenty available and easily located) and that was that.

If people don't want to deal with that hassle then stay using what you have. I use Evernote right now, have it synced across multiple computers and two mobile devices. I may switch to Keep, I may not - but the whole Google Notebook being shut down isn't going to deter me from using a future Google Service.

If Google Keep ends up being a lackluster service then I should expect it to go away. Hopefully it won't, however from my experiences with Notebook, I'm extremely confident that even if it does, I won't lose any data.

Re: Google Keep

#69

I used Google Notebook fairly heavily, but they discontinued it. I love (and pay for) Evernote now, which has lots of great integrations with other products. Why would I trust Google again?

> I used Google Notebook fairly heavily, but they discontinued it. I love (and pay for) Evernote now, which has lots of great integrations with other products. Why would I trust Google again? Given that you need a Google Account to use this, and it is a new component of Google Drive, I don't think its really about winning back people who have rage-quit Google over the discontinuation of Google Notebook (or Google Rea…

I read the grandparent comment as more of a "We don't trust you, therefore we won't invest in your new service, therefore you won't get the use out of it you expect, therefore you will kill it, and the prophecy is fulfilled."

Google is doing something which I didn't think was possible, which is to teach a vast marketplace that "free" isn't real.

I've had the conversation with lots of people about how free services are unsustainable because they incur real costs, and like a ponzi scheme you run out of suckers eventually who are willing to put in new money. And yet if you're collecting new users then there is some "value" there. But like shale oil of old, if you can't convert the 'value' into cash to fund operations, its not worth anything.

Google is in a unique position to train the billions of Internet users that you want something, you pay for it, if you aren't paying for it, it goes away at any time. So when the person running the 'free' service says 'time to pay up' you don't complain, you either pay or do without.

That was an impossible conversation to have during Web 1.0, it's being forced on Web 2.0, and I expect will be the foundation of Web 3.0.

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