Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out • Hacker News Board

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by vor_ » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 10:45 PM UTC

bobwaycott wrote: post #206

Seriously, Adria (and all of you who are defending her actions)--you got this one wrong; it was a false positive on your sexism scale. As a philosophical Marxist, I count myself among those who not only inherently support gender equality, but are from the thought tradition that started the damn movement. In graduate school, my thesis focused on the Southeast US from Reconstruction through the Civil Rights Act of 1964…

Not only is your argument cogent, Adria's reaction was overtly hypocritical because she made the very same kind of joke a week ago:

https://twitter.com/adriarichards/status/312265091791847425

Because she apparently approves of this type of humor between friends, and she has in fact demonstrated it herself in public, I'm actually really confused about where she's coming from and having trouble relating to her motives for doing this.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by nawitus » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 10:46 PM UTC

truthtacular wrote: post #292

astazangasta wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As another visitor from Reddit, I apologize for this comment. While I agree with the original commenter that this case is overblown and shouldn't be called out as sexism, it flows from error and a reaction to a real problem. To suggest that we need a "men's rights movement" to counter this sort of error seems absurd. If this is the level of "hardship" that men are facing, they have little to complain about. Men shoul…

Mmm. Nothing gets the Men's Rights fanatics frothing like the suggestion that they aren't the most oppressed people of all time (OF. ALL. TIME.). So it might help ease their minds to acknowledge that there are a few significant scenarios in which there is actually gender bias that favors women. The worst one is probably child custody. Who says moms are automatically better single parents? I'd say the other bad one is…

"But yeah, aside from a few outlying examples,"

It's nost just a few outlying examples.

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/uwekw/facts_and_...

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by Macsenour » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 10:46 PM UTC

I don't know if I'll ever go to PyCon. But if I do, I'm not saying anything but "hello" and "good bye".

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by barry-goldwater » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 10:49 PM UTC

mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

I feel pity for you. If I was in your case I would be so freaking mad that I would sue that freaking broad for libel. Her actions, not yours are the reason you got freaking fired. As a father of 3 you need to stand up and man up.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by blah3737 » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 10:52 PM UTC

mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

bro why are you apologizing? Cause some cunt with a computer lodged up her asshole got salty with a joke? Perhaps THIS is why "Women historically have felt unwelcome at tech conferences". Because you ARE you dumb whore. Because you emotion-filled bitches whine and cry and bitch about everything. HOW COOL she was for posting on twitter.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by camperman » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 10:52 PM UTC

adriarichards wrote: post #27

mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

Hey, Thanks for speaking up, contributing your viewpoint on HN and not attacking me. I'm sorry to hear your employer deciding to not to work with you on this and I hope they reconsider, bring you back on and dealing with it constructively. For context, I'm a developer evangelist. That means I'm an advocate for developers, male and female. While I hear abou demanding bosses with impossible deadlines for product launch…

Care to explain why you're allowed to make dick jokes but they can't?

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by mr-hank » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 10:54 PM UTC

natas_drol wrote: post #336

mr-hank wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its worth noting I'm not Alex. He was not involved and still employed.

I think it's worth noting that Alex's name badge was clearly displayed and he was prominently framed in the photo. I believe the image and caption published by Ms. Richards implies his involvement. Possibly others in the photo as well.

Well, I was there, I'm in the photo and I'm telling you that Alex was not involved.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by hluska » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 10:56 PM UTC

uwotm8 wrote: post #329

mr-hank wrote: post #23

Hi, I'm the guy who made a comment about big dongles. First of all I'd like to say I'm sorry. I really did not mean to offend anyone and I really do regret the comment and how it made Adria feel. She had every right to report me to staff, and I defend her position. However, there is another side to this story. While I did make a big dongle joke about a fictional piece hardware that identified as male, no sexual jokes…

She smiled at you as she took the photo, gave you no warning? No, don't apologize. She's a total bitch. A cis-scum Jewish-Nigger-Feminist Bitch. I'm on my way right now to her place to slit her. >1043 Valencia St, Apt 5 San Francisco, CA 94110-2478 >(415)-409-9557 >415 is San Francisco.

And, I'm officially a little more ashamed than usual to be a human. How do I leave this fucking industry???

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by awa » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 10:57 PM UTC

selenamarie wrote: post #211

I hope people here realize how far some people will go when they feel they are given permission to harass others: https://twitter.com/jessenoller/status/314417532842950656 This is just awful. And the people who are taking part in the harassment are responsible, not anyone else.

The hatemail and harassment is awful. However, I do think pycon staff dropped the ball by not making sure photos taken without consent were taken down/deleted when the complaint was being resolved.

Re: Inappropriate comments at pycon 2013 called out

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Post by revdinosaur » Wed, Mar 20, 2013, 10:59 PM UTC

ticking wrote: post #281

astazangasta wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As another visitor from Reddit, I apologize for this comment. While I agree with the original commenter that this case is overblown and shouldn't be called out as sexism, it flows from error and a reaction to a real problem. To suggest that we need a "men's rights movement" to counter this sort of error seems absurd. If this is the level of "hardship" that men are facing, they have little to complain about. Men shoul…

I find false accusations, which in this case even lead to the accused loosing their jobs a serious hardship. Consider our societies view of men that are nice to children, most immediately think "pedophile", instead of nice guy. Just because we have to fight for true freedom of women, doesn't mean we shouldn't fight for the same when it comes to men. We need more men in social jobs, and we need a mens right movement t…

How were the accusations false? It seems they were making jokes that made another human being uncomfortable and they took action. One of the two men involved even posted in this thread and admitted that they were making the jokes.